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Old 11-07-2002, 02:09 PM   #31
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Sorry to get off topic, but the update that Bree's paedophile (yes, I know he doesn't belong to Bree, but you know what I mean) is being pressured and forced to leave the neighborhood has brought up some questions I have whenever I hear about similar situations.

I can fully understand where the parents are coming from, but where is he expected to go? I know the immediate answer the people in the neighborhood would give - probably "to hell" or "I don't care as long as he's away from here", etc. But, really, if they sit down and think about it, where do they expect him to go? To another neighborhood? There aren't many that are completely devoid of children, so of course his new neighbors will probably pressure him to leave there as well, and so on.

What I'm getting at is that if this paedophile is not being allowed an opportunity to function normally in the system, how can we as society expect him to have much stake in cooperating with said system? While I'm sure I'd be rather concerned to have one of these creeps living near my nephews, I don't think it serves much good overall to continually harrass and upset them. I often worry that such will only make them more likely to commit further offenses. Of course, being the lazy ass that I am, I've done no research on the subject, but if someone has, I'd be interested to hear what they have to say. Regards,

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Old 11-07-2002, 02:33 PM   #32
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So many good posts & good questions on this thread...

There's no reason the landlord must rent to the pedophile. If there had been a lease, there would be no reason the landlord would be required to renew the lease.
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I can fully understand where the parents are coming from, but where is he expected to go?
To a neighborhood where people don't care.
To a neighborhood where people don't know.
To a neighborhood where he will behave.
To a neighborhood where he buys a house rather than renting. Nobody can force him out if he is a homeowner (assuming he behaves).

I am not afraid of the pooor pedophiles having nowhere left to live. They are not exactly exiled in leper colonies.

'Bree's pedophile' will survive. He should find a new apartment, move to a new neighborhood, shut up, resist his urges, and have sex with his wife or himself or with nobody at all.

It's too late for this guy to get accolades for "being honest" about his inate desires.

I might admire a pedophile for being honest if he is innocent. This guy yapping about his 'rights' ought to be tossed to the curb.
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Old 11-07-2002, 03:04 PM   #34
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Of course, this man is now running around the neighborhood yelling "I'm gonna kill you all!" which is not helping his case in the least.</strong>
It sounds to me like he hasn't learned how to play nice with other humans. I would report this to the police.

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Old 11-07-2002, 03:04 PM   #35
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While I'm sure I'd be rather concerned to have one of these creeps living near my nephews, I don't think it serves much good overall to continually harrass and upset them.
What a pity; i hate it when something upsets them.

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I often worry that such will only make them more likely to commit further offenses.
lol they are so stressed they need sexual release?
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With the case of this particular guy, he's obviously a nutter. He refuses to acknowledge that what he does is wrong - just that people don't like it. He rants about how he is going to kill them - even though he may not - it is still the behaviour of a very unwell mind. He should be in psychiatric care, not in the community.
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Originally posted by cricket:

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To a neighborhood where people don't care.
And which neighborhood is this? Yours? I doubt it. It certainly isn’t mine.

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To a neighborhood where people don't know.
Many places have laws that people be informed when known paedophiles move into their neighborhoods. Now, I agree that it was pretty stupid of him to go door to door with it (especially when it sounds like he was trying to defend it), but it’s quite possible that the people would have been informed of it already anyway.

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To a neighborhood where he will behave.
ah, the perfect solution. Why don’t all paedophiles move there? Is this the same neighborhood where people don’t care?

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To a neighborhood where he buys a house rather than renting. Nobody can force him out if he is a homeowner (assuming he behaves).
Somehow I doubt he’s in a position to buy a house.

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I am not afraid of the pooor pedophiles having nowhere left to live. They are not exactly exiled in leper colonies.
Please don’t misunderstand – I didn’t post my questions because I felt bad for the paedophile’s feelings. I don’t. I posted them because I’m curious as to which neighborhood is expected to allow him, and what happens if none do? Just because I don’t want garbage in my yard, doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about where it goes, and what impact it has on the overall community. Often in these situations I don’t see any such concerns addressed (note – I’m speaking generally here – I’m not accusing Bree of this behavior).

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He should find a new apartment, move to a new neighborhood, shut up, resist his urges, and have sex with his wife or himself or with nobody at all.
I agree.

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What a pity; i hate it when something upsets them.
I don’t per se, but I see no reason to unnecessarily upset them. It seems to me that a paedophile who is upset at his neighbors would be less likely to hold himself back from following his urges than one who is not upset. Note, that I am not absolving him of responsibility, I’m merely saying that there’s no need to provide him with further self-justification.

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lol they are so stressed they need sexual release?
Well, like I said above, there’s no reason to provide them with further justification in their own minds for giving in to their urges. I suspect that not being allowed to function normally in society probably causes a person to not care so much about whether or not they follow that society’s rules. Hence my concern that harassing them might lead to further offenses.

Note, I’m not debating whether of not they deserve such treatment, only whether or not it is wise overall. In the immortal words of Clint Eastwood, "deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”

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With the case of this particular guy, he's obviously a nutter. He refuses to acknowledge that what he does is wrong - just that people don't like it. He rants about how he is going to kill them - even though he may not - it is still the behaviour of a very unwell mind. He should be in psychiatric care, not in the community.
Yeah, that pretty much renders my posts moot in regard to this specific case. Regards,

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I have a hard time believing that attraction to immature children is a natural sexual orientation. It seems to me more likely due to desire of power over the victim.
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I'm not touching this one with a fifteen-foot pole.
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I'm not touching this one with a fifteen-foot pole.

Considering the damage 6" ones have caused, this is probably a good idea.

Personally, I think that people like this should be put in a small (7'x7') neighbourhood made of concrete with a population of 1 for the rest of their natural lives. There they can induldge in whatever behaviour suits their fancy.
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