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Old 02-20-2003, 09:21 PM   #251
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Are you the measure of what is and isn't compassionate?
No, but I know what deeds are uncompassionate.


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I do believe it's true (and don't believe it's false) because God enabled me to want to see the Truth. No one can find the Truth who doesn't want to find it.
Your definitions of Truth are too one-sided. It doesn't give the whole picture of reality.


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I don't view the fact that there are hundreds of wrong interpretations of God (and the bible) to be God's failure. It is because of sin that humans want to interpret the bible to suit their own desires. Willful blindness is sinful blindness.
My point is God, being an omniscience being, should taken human's sin into account before He send his words down. His failure to do so, prove His failure or rather unwillingness.

Besides why you so sure that your interpretations are not deluded by your own sins? Have you been purged by saints before?

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I don't see how your opinion about the fairness of where and when Jesus appeared on the earth is important. Mine either, for that matter.
Should I remind you that Jesus, who is the core of christinity faith, teachings and salvation, choose to appear in a remote part of Earth while ignoring the rest.


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God doesn't need to tell us every detail of his purposes. I certainly don't know much about God's plan and his purposes. What little I do know about God is due to God's goodness and mercy. He has chosen give me to understand what he wants me to understand. That is good enough for me.


Thats the point, since you know so little about God, what makes you so sure that He doesn't have the habit of breaking His words or burning people? As how logic goes, you can't trust a person that you know little of. Much a less a God who had created Hell just because He like it.
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Old 02-20-2003, 09:30 PM   #252
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"I don't care whether you think your thoughts are important or not, I want to know if you think eating shellfish is immoral or not."
If I do something knowing or believing it to be wrong, it is a sin for me to do it. If I do something "wrong" without knowing it is wrong then it isn't sin. The morality of a deed isn't based solely on our knowledge, nor is it based soley upon our act. Both the act and our moral understanding of it together determine the moral rightness/wrongness of the deed. In every instance we are held to the same moral duty--to do what we understand is the right thing to do, and to refrain from doing what we understand to be the wrong thing. This applies to the eating of shellfish, and a whole lot more.

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"No, but I know what deeds are uncompassionate."
How can you know what is not compassionate if you are not qualified to say what is?

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Old 02-20-2003, 09:43 PM   #254
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How can you know what is not compassionate if you are not qualified to say what is?

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My conscience tells me that by throwing one's own sons(regardless of what he did) to the sea of the great fire and allowing him to be burned there, is a confirmation of an uncompassionate deed.

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"Given this, a system of values is not applicable to such a being."
The reason God can't develop a value system is that God has always BEEN the moral standard for values. He can't develop what he already is, in full measure.

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"I'd also like to amend your definition of "moral". Your definition seems to pertain to "morals". I would say what is "moral" is choosing what is "right". Immoral is choosing what is "wrong".

This, however presents a problem. My definition of what is "right" is that that upholds and extends life. "Wrong" would be just the opposite."
How can you, or anyone else, know which of your actions will uphold or extend life, and which don't? Who's life? Do you have a moral obligation not to kill or eat animals? To whom are you morally obligated? Why?

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How can you, or anyone else, know which of your actions will uphold or extend life, and which don't? Who's life? Do you have a moral obligation not to kill or eat animals? To whom are you morally obligated? Why?

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I can get to that, but you need to catch up. So far you have not demonstrated the objective morality of god. All of your posts add up to this:

God is moral because God is moral.


why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why?
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Old 02-20-2003, 10:26 PM   #258
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The question you posted, as the topic for this thread, is "Does atheism explain anything?"

The answer is YES.

But I personally don't think your interested in any answers to be found here, Keith.

Because the answers are all based on a dedication to reality.
(Which happens to be one explanation for atheism.)

And you're full of answers based on superstition.

And you are here to preach "YOUR ANSWERS", aren't you Keith?
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If I do something knowing or believing it to be wrong, it is a sin for me to do it. If I do something "wrong" without knowing it is wrong then it isn't sin. The morality of a deed isn't based solely on our knowledge, nor is it based soley upon our act. Both the act and our moral understanding of it together determine the moral rightness/wrongness of the deed. In every instance we are held to the same moral duty--to do what we understand is the right thing to do, and to refrain from doing what we understand to be the wrong thing. This applies to the eating of shellfish, and a whole lot more.

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Uh... so, do you think eating shellfish is immoral or not? Just answer the question. Yes or no.
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"Uh... so, do you think eating shellfish is immoral or not? Just answer the question. Yes or no."
I have done better than just answer your one particular question. I gave you God's moral precepts. This applies to all human conduct; not just the eating of shellfish.

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