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beachbum · 06-06-2002, 09:02 AM

Yes the church is wrong (so what else is new?)

However I advise caution when it comes to child abuse cases. Remember the McMartin fiasco and take things carefully.

The Dark Lord · 06-06-2002, 09:35 AM

What a load of utter crap!

Quote:

from CNN
A clergyman's diocese will report to authorities any accusation of sexual abuse of a minor, and will cooperate in any investigation.

Just like they've done in the past?

Quote:

If a complaint is affirmed by investigation, officials in the clergyman's diocese will promptly relieve the alleged offender of his ministerial powers.

If the plan is implemented, clergymen are to be on notice that any act of sexual abuse from then on will bring about a request for laicization, or revocation of ministerial powers. Such action still would permit the church worker lay privileges such as assisting priests.

Yes... the priests will just step right up and say that they raped the good little children.

Come on, Poop John Paul! They did it before and didn't say anything... they'll do it again!

Quote:

Regarding acts against a minor previous to the adoption of the plan, a request for laicization will be issued if a clergyman is found to be a pedophile or has committed more than one act of sexual abuse of a minor.

... because everyone knows that it takes at least two molestations to mentally harm a child.

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> What's wrong with these people???

Sephiroth · 06-06-2002, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Fastfalcon:
This birdie agrees.
Here is what i think about the pedophiles:
<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

I don't want to hear what the birdie thinks since, judging from another thread, the birdie would be completely ok with it if it's on god's order. Only god has the license to be immoral.

Fastfalcon · 06-07-2002, 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by Hastur:
The problem, FF is that this supposed 'punishment' so far has been reserved for the Fairy Tale Sky Daddy.

Meanwhile, they get to mow through their choice of tasty underage tidbits here on Earth.

I say one strike, game over right here and NOW. Same as it is with anyone else.

Hear, Hear! Matt 18:6 But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence comes!
a fair punishment for the 'priestly' pedophiles would be just like what Jesus said in 18:6.

[ June 07, 2002: Message edited by: Fastfalcon ]

Debbie T · 06-07-2002, 09:11 AM

Any parent that finds out their child has been molested should go to CPS or the police. Let the PROPER authorities handle it, not the church. Especially the church who has a long history of cover-ups and protecting their own. I am not just talking about recent history either.

I believe a pedophile on the average molests 250 victims? I will double check that statistic.

[ June 07, 2002: Message edited by: Debbie T ]

Joel · 06-09-2002, 09:17 AM

There is an excellent 92 page book published online by the Freedom From Religion Foundation concerning pedophile clergy members. Sadly enough, it was published in 1988 and documents case after case of such abuse and nothing has changed. You can read it at <a href="http://www.ffrf.org/betrayaloftrust.html" target="_blank">Betrayal of Trust: Clergy Abuse of Children </a>
Several statistics about the number of children abused by each molester are cited.

On a personal note - my family has dealt with this problem in the past and have found that law enforcement is nearly as useless as the Catholic Church in many of these cases.

The Other Michael · 06-09-2002, 11:42 AM

Hi Joel,

The FFRF newsletter has a "Black Collar Crime" column, and I think the last issue took up about 1.5 pages in a tabloid-sized newspaper.

And there are plenty of Protestant/Jewish offenders listed, not just RC.

cheers,
Michael

sullster · 06-09-2002, 02:03 PM

I read in the paper that some cardinal from Honduras, who is a pope candidate, says that the US press's coverage of the sex scandal is like Nazism or Stalinism.

How do you like that line of thought from one of the church commanders? Molester-priests run wild in the US and are protected by the church. The press finds out and exposes the story to the world. This is evidence of Nazism and Stalinism in the US.
Manomano, just what planet does this cardinal come from and if he gets to be pope, then we can welcome back the middle ages.

S2Focus · 06-09-2002, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by brighid:
But what if God told them to molest these children? Would it be OK then?

Brighid

What I find interesting about this matter is that nobody seems to want to hold God accountable for this whole mess.

After all, isn't he really the head honcho of the Catholic church? I mean, just *where* does the buck stop in that outfit?

God really must be quintessential politician: He always manages to take all the credit for the good things and avoid any blame for the bad things that happen under his watch!

Maybe that's why so many sleazy politicians invoke his name so eagerly. He really *is* one of them!

[ June 09, 2002: Message edited by: S2Focus ]

tragic_pizza · 06-10-2002, 06:02 AM

Yeah, that's a good plan. Blame God for the actions of those bearing His name. Riiiiight.

The RCC is way off base, and the Council of Bishops needs its collective butt kicked for this travesty. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely," and when any group presumes to speak for God, then does so tentatively and by majority concensus, the results are horrifying.

[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: tragic_pizza ]

06-07-2002, 09:11 AM	#15
Debbie T Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington the state Posts: 406	Any parent that finds out their child has been molested should go to CPS or the police. Let the PROPER authorities handle it, not the church. Especially the church who has a long history of cover-ups and protecting their own. I am not just talking about recent history either. I believe a pedophile on the average molests 250 victims? I will double check that statistic. [ June 07, 2002: Message edited by: Debbie T ]</p>

06-10-2002, 06:02 AM	#20
tragic_pizza Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 108	Yeah, that's a good plan. Blame God for the actions of those bearing His name. Riiiiight. The RCC is way off base, and the Council of Bishops needs its collective butt kicked for this travesty. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely," and when any group presumes to speak for God, then does so tentatively and by majority concensus, the results are horrifying. [ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: tragic_pizza ]</p>

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06-06-2002, 09:02 AM	#11
beachbum Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL Posts: 864	Yes the church is wrong (so what else is new?) However I advise caution when it comes to child abuse cases. Remember the McMartin fiasco and take things carefully.

06-09-2002, 09:17 AM	#16
Joel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 925	There is an excellent 92 page book published online by the Freedom From Religion Foundation concerning pedophile clergy members. Sadly enough, it was published in 1988 and documents case after case of such abuse and nothing has changed. You can read it at <a href="http://www.ffrf.org/betrayaloftrust.html" target="_blank">Betrayal of Trust: Clergy Abuse of Children </a> Several statistics about the number of children abused by each molester are cited. On a personal note - my family has dealt with this problem in the past and have found that law enforcement is nearly as useless as the Catholic Church in many of these cases.

06-09-2002, 11:42 AM	#17
The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	Hi Joel, The FFRF newsletter has a "Black Collar Crime" column, and I think the last issue took up about 1.5 pages in a tabloid-sized newspaper. And there are plenty of Protestant/Jewish offenders listed, not just RC. cheers, Michael

06-09-2002, 02:03 PM	#18
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	I read in the paper that some cardinal from Honduras, who is a pope candidate, says that the US press's coverage of the sex scandal is like Nazism or Stalinism. How do you like that line of thought from one of the church commanders? Molester-priests run wild in the US and are protected by the church. The press finds out and exposes the story to the world. This is evidence of Nazism and Stalinism in the US. Manomano, just what planet does this cardinal come from and if he gets to be pope, then we can welcome back the middle ages.

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