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VivaHedone · 03-01-2003, 08:40 AM

Apologetix:

Can you answer just one simple question: why do you believe in god?

AmericanHeretic · 03-01-2003, 09:51 AM

Ahhh, I think I see your initial point now Apologetix.

However, I think you made two other points as well.

Main Entry: equiv�o�cate
Pronunciation: i-'kwi-v&-"kAt
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -cat�ed; -cat�ing
Date: 1590
1 : to use equivocal language especially with intent to deceive
2 : to avoid committing oneself in what one says
synonym see LIE
- equiv�o�ca�tion /-"kwi-v&-'kA-sh&n/ noun
- equiv�o�ca�tor /-'kwi-v&-"kA-t&r/ noun

1 : to use equivocal language especially with intent to deceive

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I just want to show you the personal reasons as to why I am a Christian.

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Actually I posted my testimony to prove a point to someone else on another website. Thus far my point has been proven However people like you are helping to prove the point I was making wrong (trust me, this is a good thing that you are).

synonym see LIE

2 : to avoid committing oneself in what one says

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I have no desire to present "facts" or to expound upon the historical accuracies of the Bible in a feeble attempt to "prove" to you why I believe in Christ.

Main Entry: big�ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1661
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- big�ot�ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big�ot�ed�ly adverb

a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

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Many came on there, after I had stated my case, and basically took the stance that I had no idea what I was talking about.... Looking through the site, we see the same thing. It's not the outright rudeness that you have shown (calling Christians ignorant), yet it basically takes the stance that anyone who believes in Christ obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. That is rude.

Deep Junior · 03-01-2003, 11:01 AM

Sorry for being so... blunt? ... but, I don't see any real great sacrifice in giving up your body if you know you are infinite...
it's not like this Jesus guy didn't know he was going to die for humanity, I mean... read the story people. Isn't suicide a sin?
I've heard everything from if you kill yourself you're doomed to an eternity in hell, to being locked away in a pergutory, etc...

If I was the son of GOD, I don't think it would be too hard to "sacrifice" myself, especially when I would already know I'd come back to life here on good old Earth. Could this have to do with the theory of Reincarnation at all?

Magus55 · 03-01-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Deep Junior
Sorry for being so... blunt? ... but, I don't see any real great sacrifice in giving up your body if you know you are infinite...
it's not like this Jesus guy didn't know he was going to die for humanity, I mean... read the story people. Isn't suicide a sin?
I've heard everything from if you kill yourself you're doomed to an eternity in hell, to being locked away in a pergutory, etc...

If I was the son of GOD, I don't think it would be too hard to "sacrifice" myself, especially when I would already know I'd come back to life here on good old Earth. Could this have to do with the theory of Reincarnation at all?

What does knowing you'll come back to life have to do with enduring the most excrutiating form of execution in human history at the hands of the people you came to save, when all they do is reject you and hate you - and you never deserved anything except love and understanding?

If you knew you would come back to life - could you go through the excrutiating pain of crucifiction to save a murderer from death?

VivaHedone · 03-01-2003, 02:34 PM

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If you knew you would come back to life - could you go through the excrutiating pain of crucifiction to save a murderer from death?

If I knew I would go to Heaven for ever and ever, then a few hours of excrutiating pain would be a small price to pay.

Magus55 · 03-01-2003, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by VivaHedone
If I knew I would go to Heaven for ever and ever, then a few hours of excrutiating pain would be a small price to pay.

You can't base it on whether you will go to Heaven or not because thats not why Jesus did it. Jesus was already in Heaven ( i.e He is God). He did it solely for the purpose of saving people.

So again i ask, could you go through that excrutiating pain to save a murderer?

VivaHedone · 03-01-2003, 02:55 PM

How was Jesus dying ever going to save humanity? Why would god need to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself? If the purpose was to rid the world of sin, it clearly didn't work.

Magus55 · 03-01-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by VivaHedone
How was Jesus dying ever going to save humanity? Why would god need to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself? If the purpose was to rid the world of sin, it clearly didn't work.

The purpose of Jesus' dying wasn't to rid of the world of sin, it was to wash away the sins of those who believe in him.

Sin won't be gone from the world until after He pours out his wrath on the unbelieving world, throws satan into the lake of Fire and Jesus comes to Earth himself to usher in the age of Peace - where He will rule over the world for a certain period of time.

Hedwig · 03-01-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
The purpose of Jesus' dying wasn't to rid of the world of sin, it was to wash away the sins of those who believe in him.

Sin won't be gone from the world until after He pours out his wrath on the unbelieving world, throws satan into the lake of Fire and Jesus comes to Earth himself to usher in the age of Peace - where He will rule over the world for a certain period of time.

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Magus55 · 03-01-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Hedwig
This message brought to you by Landover Baptist??

No this message is brought to you by a Messianic Jew

03-01-2003, 11:01 AM	#43
Deep Junior Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Underground Posts: 12	Sacrifice? Sorry for being so... blunt? ... but, I don't see any real great sacrifice in giving up your body if you know you are infinite... it's not like this Jesus guy didn't know he was going to die for humanity, I mean... read the story people. Isn't suicide a sin? I've heard everything from if you kill yourself you're doomed to an eternity in hell, to being locked away in a pergutory, etc... If I was the son of GOD, I don't think it would be too hard to "sacrifice" myself, especially when I would already know I'd come back to life here on good old Earth. Could this have to do with the theory of Reincarnation at all?

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VivaHedone Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Norwich, England Posts: 146	Apologetix: Can you answer just one simple question: why do you believe in god?

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VivaHedone Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Norwich, England Posts: 146	How was Jesus dying ever going to save humanity? Why would god need to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself? If the purpose was to rid the world of sin, it clearly didn't work.

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