Undercurrent

Roses are sexual organs.

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MrDarwin

In case you still have any doubts about male circumcision, visit this website--it's extremely disturbing, but this information really needs to be known:
<a href="http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org" target="_blank">http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org</a>

MrDarwin

You don't use it if you don't have it. You also don't use your right arm if you lost it in an accident. What's your point?

I can't for the life of me figure out why there remains any debate on this subject at all. Let's see, chop off a healthy, undiseased, and fully functional part of my newborn baby's perfectly healthy little willy (with the attendant risks), or leave it be? It sure seems like a no-brainer to me.

MrDarwin

You're quite right, I should have used the word "unmutilated".

Krieger

First of all, I must say, I feel very sorry for all males and females that have had their bodies mutilated as part of a religious ritual. Male circumcision is a Judea-Xian-Muslem thing, almost exclusively.

I'm very glad my parents decided NOT to mutilate me. I think mutilating infants as part of a ritual should be completely banned. Now if an adult wants to do it, that is perfectly fine, but only people 18 years of age or older should be allowed to make those decisions for themselves.

To any ladies that might have a hard time understanding why some of us guys get upset about these rituals: it is similar to how the religious right wants to ban all abortions. Here is the similarity: certain segments of society want to force their religious morals and traditions on everyone, including their innocent children. Considering most of us atheists/non-believers grew up in religious homes, that alone should makes this issue all the more important to us. Young, emotional parents should NOT have the right to mutilate their children's bodies!


Btw, Rimstalker, after reading many of your replies on this thread, I feel inclined to ask: are you a Christian?

GunnerJ

I suggest you keep the veiled insults to a minimum. Try typing my name into a forum search and see just how "Christian" I am.

Krieger

All it says in your profile for beliefs is: "Truth Seeker". I've heard Xians call themselves things of that nature.

If you aren't a Xian, then why would you support the use of Xian ritualistic mutilation of infants?

This isn't some attack on other peoples penises... We need to stop the Xians from mutilating their young.

GunnerJ

It seems they use the term eroniously. Xians already proclaim to have the truth.

Uh-oh! It has its origins in religion! That's bad! Better stay away from it like any good freethinker. Don't worry about nay other possible reasoning, it was a religious ritual and that makes it EVIL! (Oh, you should probably get your facts straight; circumcision is NOT an Xian ritual, in fact, the early Church went through pains to mkae themselve exempt from it.)

I do not "support" circumcision, I simply do not think it is such an evil as many of the people here make it out to be. Or are you employing the "If you're not with us, you're against us!" line of reasoning? Hmm... now who sounds like a Xian?

Matthew 12:30-
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad."

BTW, have you stopped beating your wife with a broomstick?

Like I said, get your facts straight. Circumcision is not an Xian thing.

(It should be noted that many of the posted on this board have made a concincing case against circumcision, and I actually felt that they were on to something... but then the "mutilation" rhetoric started to fly. Oh, and I was called a Xian. Let's try to keep an even head, ok?)

Krieger

Rimstalker, you appear to be taking this discussion far to personally, and taking serious questions as personal insults. I will not chat/debate/discuss with people that get so worked up. Sorry.

alek0

This lady only has trouble to understand why would anyone defend that barbaric practice. What I definitely don't understand are the usual excuses parents give, from which a non-American can learn that:

1) It is OK to surgically alter child's penis to conform parent's sexual preferences ("looks nicer", "uncircumcised penis is gross, eewww").

2) The worst thing that can happen to you in life is to be teased ( "locker room" excuse, "I would do anything to spare my son painful experience of being teased)

3) It is OK to inflict pain if the victim does not remember it ("It is better to do it when they are babies because they won't remember it", never mind that babies cannot have adequate pain releif during or after the amputation, and no penile dorsal block is not full pain releif though it is best available).

4) Women consider penis the most important thing in their choice of partner ("I've decided to have my son circumcised because girls prefer circumcised men, and I want to spare him a painful experience of being dumped by girls when they discover he is not circumcised")

5) Little american boys are inherently incapable of washing themselves ("you know how little boys are, how could I trust him to wash himself properly, so I'll have him circumcised to prevent infections")

and the list goes on... Not to mention religious excuses like "to be like Jesus". Wonder how would those react if their son never married or had offspring, just like Jesus, was crucified like Jesus, or told his mother "Woman, what do I have with thee" just like Jesus. Blech.

I would really, really like to know why is this sort of thing done?