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Old 01-03-2003, 11:48 AM   #61
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Certainly, it wouldn't fill you with a desire to reach out to the people attacking you and say "hey, let's be friends".
seebs, isn't that what it is supposed to do?

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seebs, isn't that what it is supposed to do?
When people talk about "banning atheism", do you suddenly want to be friends with them? If not, why do you think religious folks should suddenly feel like being friends with you when you advocate "banning religion"?
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I'm not really as upset as my posts indicate Seebs, I'm just trying to get a point across.

I'm not attacking ANYone here either. I have moved to Texas 9-10 years ago and I watch GW Baboon on CNN.

I'm tired of sitting around and watching the WALL of C/S get knocked down. That's all... PEACE...
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When people talk about "banning atheism", do you suddenly want to be friends with them? If not, why do you think religious folks should suddenly feel like being friends with you when you advocate "banning religion"?
seebs, you don't get it. I am not talking about atheism. I am talking about Christianity and how busted it is. You are making my point.

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seebs, you don't get it. I am not talking about atheism. I am talking about Christianity and how busted it is. You are making my point.
I am talking about neither; I'm talking about attacking *any* belief system.

When you attack a belief system, you will necessarily polarize people who hold it against you.

Christianity isn't busted; Christians, like everyone else, are a bit dodgy around the edges. In the real world, if you are to be a pragmatist, you will have to deal with real people, not stereotypes.
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Christianity isn't busted; Christians, like everyone else, are a bit dodgy around the edges. In the real world, if you are to be a pragmatist, you will have to deal with real people, not stereotypes.
In the real world things that are supposed to work actually work.

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I'm not really as upset as my posts indicate Seebs, I'm just trying to get a point across.

I'm not attacking ANYone here either. I have moved to Texas 9-10 years ago and I watch GW Baboon on CNN.

I'm tired of sitting around and watching the WALL of C/S get knocked down. That's all... PEACE...
Well, you sure come across as attacking Christianity, rather than supporting the separation of church and state. I think all of the Christians I know in meatspace believe that separation of church and state is not merely *acceptable*, but *mandated*, by Christianity. ("Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's" gets taken pretty broadly.)

If you could phrase your concerns as about the church/state issue, rather than as a call for all atheists everywhere to go out there and show those bastard Christians what-for, you would probably get a lot more support, and have a much more narrowly-defined target. Both of these would help a lot if you want to actually accomplish something.
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In the real world things that are supposed to work actually work.
Well, there's a bit of an untestability problem; we have giant sampling errors, and as such, all I can do is point out that there exists at least one Christian who, despite your repeated calls for a total ban on all religion anywhere, has tried to find common ground with you.

So, I'd say it's working. I have an existance proof.

In the end, you can fight religion, and make things worse for everybody, or you can fight intolerance, and make things better for everybody. Actually, you could always convert, and then you could fight atheism, and make things worse for everybody; it's attacking personal beliefs that causes the trouble.
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seebs, in some sense that experiment is underway. You can think of atheism as placebo and Christianity as the medication under test. So far placebo appears to be working better than Christianity.

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Yeah--like computer programs and space missions. Like toys for children and like the justice system.

They're all supposed to work--but we know that programs have bugs and space missions go awry, toys have to be recalled and innocent people are sentenced to death.

When you have humans involved, then you have human error. Same with the application of any system or the design of any object. The application of Christianity contains errors and faults because humans are involved--their emotions and preconceptions and faults all get rolled up in there. Same with everything else.

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