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cydonia · 08-19-2003, 10:13 PM

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Darth Dane · 08-19-2003, 11:56 PM

Oooh, I see. Jesus is god's masochist, being tortured by God for everyone, even the ones who would never in a million years eat the donut. Because God is sadistic; he'd rather torture one person to death than let each person do their own push-ups in discrete, bearable packages.

Please note, that as in the story with Steve, Jesus didn't have to. Steve was asked every time.
Jesus was not made to do this, Jesus chose this.

So God didn't torture Jesus. Jesus chose this, he saw he had the strength to do it, and did it.

I amazed you have overlooked this part.

DD - Love & Laughter

wade-w · 08-20-2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Please note, that as in the story with Steve, Jesus didn't have to. Steve was asked every time.
Jesus was not made to do this, Jesus chose this.

So God didn't torture Jesus. Jesus chose this, he saw he had the strength to do it, and did it.

I amazed you have overlooked this part.

Torture is torture. How does the consent of the victim make it any less cruel?

braces_for_impact · 08-20-2003, 12:41 AM

Don't forget, those students that chose to not eat the donut receive a far worse fate than Steve ever did.

Darth Dane · 08-20-2003, 05:55 AM

If Jesus chose it, then it can't be torture, Jesus is more like a s/m kinda guy.

God said, if you wanna do some good for humanity, these are the terms. You don't have to, but if you really want to do some good that reaches far beyond your eyes and ears, then these are teh terms.
Jesus in a sense tortured himself, because he wanted to do some good.

God didn't make him do it.

DD - Love & Laughter

The Other Michael · 08-20-2003, 06:38 AM

So God guilt-tripped Himself?

Pretty weird behavior for a Perfect Individual (even if Tripartate).

cheers,
Michael

Taffer · 08-20-2003, 06:48 AM

Oh, this is just too perfect.

Mediancat · 08-20-2003, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Dane
Oooh, I see. Jesus is god's masochist, being tortured by God for everyone, even the ones who would never in a million years eat the donut. Because God is sadistic; he'd rather torture one person to death than let each person do their own push-ups in discrete, bearable packages.

Please note, that as in the story with Steve, Jesus didn't have to. Steve was asked every time.
Jesus was not made to do this, Jesus chose this.

So God didn't torture Jesus. Jesus chose this, he saw he had the strength to do it, and did it.

I amazed you have overlooked this part.

So what you're saying is Jesus, basically, was an idiot? Because sure as hell, Steve's an idiot in this analogy.

And the professor, and therefore God, is a sadist -- because WHETHER OR NOT "Steve" consented, it was all the professor's idea in the first place.

I think I've seen more incoherent analogies, but not recently.

Rob aka Mediancat

Jack the Bodiless · 08-20-2003, 07:08 AM

If I were one of the students, I'd say to Steve "no need to bother" and simply gather up all the uneaten donuts already available.

BTW, I must have missed the verse in the Bible where Jesus consented to this arrangement. "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?" would imply otherwise. This story should have Steve saying "why are you doing this to me?" to the teacher.

MJones · 08-20-2003, 07:20 AM

LOOK!! IT'S REAL SIMPLE: YOU'RE A DIRTY SINNER AND JESUS H. CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU!! WHETHER YOU WANTED HIM TO OR NOT! NOW YOU BEST BETTER START SHOWING SOME GOD DAMN RESPECT, YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTERDS!! Let us pray...

Oh God!! Forgive us our sins and yada yada yada. For we are filthy little sinners, all of us. You are SO much better than us, let me tell you! If you challenged us to a game of Crazy 8s, you would win, hands down. Thank you for that time you sent yourself down here to sacrifice yourself to yourself to protect your own creation from your own wrath. That really kicked ass. Amen! Halleluiah!! Holy shit!!

Dirty Dog

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08-19-2003, 10:13 PM	#11
cydonia Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 1,002	:notworthy

08-19-2003, 11:56 PM	#12
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Oooh, I see. Jesus is god's masochist, being tortured by God for everyone, even the ones who would never in a million years eat the donut. Because God is sadistic; he'd rather torture one person to death than let each person do their own push-ups in discrete, bearable packages. Please note, that as in the story with Steve, Jesus didn't have to. Steve was asked every time. Jesus was not made to do this, Jesus chose this. So God didn't torture Jesus. Jesus chose this, he saw he had the strength to do it, and did it. I amazed you have overlooked this part. DD - Love & Laughter

08-20-2003, 12:41 AM	#14
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Don't forget, those students that chose to not eat the donut receive a far worse fate than Steve ever did.

08-20-2003, 05:55 AM	#15
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	If Jesus chose it, then it can't be torture, Jesus is more like a s/m kinda guy. God said, if you wanna do some good for humanity, these are the terms. You don't have to, but if you really want to do some good that reaches far beyond your eyes and ears, then these are teh terms. Jesus in a sense tortured himself, because he wanted to do some good. God didn't make him do it. DD - Love & Laughter

08-20-2003, 06:38 AM	#16
The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	So God guilt-tripped Himself? Pretty weird behavior for a Perfect Individual (even if Tripartate). cheers, Michael

08-20-2003, 06:48 AM	#17
Taffer Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bern, Switzerland Posts: 348	Oh, this is just too perfect.

08-20-2003, 07:08 AM	#19
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	If I were one of the students, I'd say to Steve "no need to bother" and simply gather up all the uneaten donuts already available. BTW, I must have missed the verse in the Bible where Jesus consented to this arrangement. "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?" would imply otherwise. This story should have Steve saying "why are you doing this to me?" to the teacher.

08-20-2003, 07:20 AM	#20
MJones Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Lincoln, AL Posts: 1,048	LOOK!! IT'S REAL SIMPLE: YOU'RE A DIRTY SINNER AND JESUS H. CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU!! WHETHER YOU WANTED HIM TO OR NOT! NOW YOU BEST BETTER START SHOWING SOME GOD DAMN RESPECT, YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTERDS!! Let us pray... Oh God!! Forgive us our sins and yada yada yada. For we are filthy little sinners, all of us. You are SO much better than us, let me tell you! If you challenged us to a game of Crazy 8s, you would win, hands down. Thank you for that time you sent yourself down here to sacrifice yourself to yourself to protect your own creation from your own wrath. That really kicked ass. Amen! Halleluiah!! Holy shit!! Dirty Dog

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