Genghis Pwn

Also, the Taliban were fully aware that he was responsible. You think bin Laden didn't tell his close friend Mullah Omar about 911, even after it happened??

Bin Laden is seen on a video in Khandahar a month after the attack bragging to fellow muslims about the Setp 11th attacks. I'm sure he withheld that information from Omar. yeah riiiight.

HaysooChreesto!

I gotcha. Is Bush a fundie with nukes? I have to give you that one.

To differentiate though; a desperate fundie with a nuke who sees himself with no other real options to further his cause is far more likely to use it.
Bush has many options-the most powerful conventional military in the world, influence, and countless $. These are things that Islamic fundamentalists don't have. Due to oil wealth they have the $ but that's about it.

I also don't believe that our nukes were any kind of factor in determining the action taken in Iraq against the wishes of our European allies. After all, France has nukes too. I believe that while the relationship between the US and Europe can get strained at times, I don't think that war between the two has been seen as any kind of factor in anything since the end of WWII.

MortalWombat

A comprehensive list of his broken promises can be found here

Genghis Pwn

With the young pro-democray rebels on our side, this war could be over in a week. The military smackdown would be shocking.

ex-idaho

What accusations? I said that the Taliban offered up Bin Laden and Bush declined. Thats all I said! I never suggested that Bush was wrong to decline or that the offer was genuine. I did not bash Bush or show any sympathy for the Taliban.

shome42

You said, "They offered him up but Bush declined. It was after the assault had already begun and it was more politically expediant to take Afganastan," meaning that Bush chose to continue the invasion of Afghanistan rather than have Bin Laden aprehended.

I'm saying that it's misleading and out of context to say that Bin Laden could have been turned over had Bush only accepted the Taliban's offer. I'm arguing that the Taliban could not have and would not have turned Bin Laden over even if Bush had negotiated.

So it's not as if Bush chose not to have him aprehended by the Taliban. Rather, he simply realized that negotiating with the Taliban would have been fruitless, and that they were most likely were attempting a delaying tactic.

In that context, turning down their "offer" was the reasonable thing to do because their offer was most likely hollow.

ex-idaho

Shome, I'm not going to argue with you, read it however you want.

Sue Sponte

Personal attack when confronted with facts are inappropriate.
Bill O'Reilly would be very proud of you.

As for the concept that the U.S. is justified in taking military action against any country which poses a potential , rather than imminent, threat to cause the U.S. harm, the concept is both terrifying and illogical. The certain killing of thousands of people in order to avoid a purely hypothetical, slight risk of harm to a greater number is grossly illogical and displays a chilling disregard for the lives of those who will most certainly perish to avoid a scenario which would likely never occur in the first place.

By this reasoning, the U.S. not only should, but must, "liberate" each and every other country in the world from any military personnel or equipment or otherwise potentially harmful persons or materials. If you can't see that the rationale you propose would justify this very result, then you are truly missing the point.

[edited to remove insulting quote from another poster0

HaysooChreesto!

I wouldn't argue anymore either if I'd been proven willfully dishonest and disingenuous.

ex-idaho

Please tell me what I said that was dishonest of disengenuous? I take great offense to that comment. I made no assertions other than, once again, The Taliban offered Bin Laden up but Bush declined the offer! I did not pass judgement on either side. I pointed out that the attack on Afganastan was already underway and I am sure this was the primary reason for the offer. I said that Bush declined for political reasons which I believe to be true since accepting the arrangement and assuming the deal was carried out many Americans would not stand for the Taliban remaining in power.

If you want to believe I am a liar, fine. Thats your perogative and I doubt there is anything I can say to change your mind.