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Old 08-08-2003, 09:42 AM   #11
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Why not?


Oh come on. WTF are animals going to do for eternity?
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thread a long time ago, I think it explains things quite well:


The nucleus doesn't contain all of the soulular DNA, only certain genes. The vast majority of soulular genes are contained in the soulochondrion, which has two round DNA plasmids and resembles bacteria in some ways.

The soulochondrion provides spirit energy through the hydrolysis of ATP and the creation of a lot of complex soulular enzymes (soulochrome oxidase, soulate cyclase, 1,5-N,N souliferic acid oxidase, etc) as well as numerous transcription factors (Sonic the Soulhog, SOUL2, Soul Morphogenic Factor 4 etc) and structural proteins (Beta soulctin, soulogen I - VIII, holyghostin, spiritin, etc). This produces spiritual activity and faith.

Of course, this brings up an important point, where does the soulochondrion come from? The father obviously, not The Father (though all things ultimatly come from The Father eh?)

However, since some of the soulochondrions DNA is in the nucleus, a natural born child will have two copies of all nuclear soulular DNA as well as the paternal soulochondrion DNA, so a new soul is forged.

Thus a clone will have a new soul, but it will be a soul comprised of the donor nuclear soulular DNA and the soulochondrion DNA that the recipient cell contains.

A recent issue of some big named scientific journal found that atheists and agnostics have a mutation in one of the soulochondrion genes, a gene now dubbed godless. The Godless protein is a transcription factor that enables the upregulation of all of the soul DNA in the nucleus and without it, no soulochondrion activity is produced.

So far the godless mutation seems to be largly due to random mutational events during embryogenesis, leading to incomplete penetrance and differing levels of expressivity.

However, cases of inherited mutations in the godless gene have been recorded.

So far, no homologues of godless have been found in nature and only one species of archaebacteria (Solfulobis catholictaricus) seems to have anything remotly like soulochondrial DNA.
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Hi WWSD,

That's all good scientific information on how the soul is passed on, but doesn't address when in evolutionary history "mankind" was first ensouled

Or maybe a unicellular critter was first ensouled, and passed that down through its descendents? And if so, did the presence of those souls help to direct evolution in order to arrive at us, the most magnificent critters in all of creation?

Maybe there's something to that Incoherent Design theory after all?

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Oh come on. WTF are animals going to do for eternity?
That's not for you to worry about.



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That's all good scientific information on how the soul is passed on, but doesn't address when in evolutionary history "mankind" was first ensouled

That's true.
I think its probable that there was some ancient bacteria like organism that was enveloped by a eukaryote. Though I have to admit that, if we can piece together any type of phylogeny from current genomes, the modern sould have probably evolved quite a bit from its ancestors.

I would wager that an ancient soul, circa 2-3 billion years ago, would be quite different from our modern soul. Perhaps it would not even be recognizeable beyond the basic properties of a soul.

I can't even begin to speculate on the selection pressure that must operate to drive soul evolution, but I'm sure it has something to do with the spiritual energy aether that bathes the universe. Who can say?

Perhaps we could clone a soul from some amber entombed organism. Something like a Jurrasic park of souls?

As for the origin of a soul, that's asoulogenesis and not my field.
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Why sure it is. I do have a dog, you know.

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What would animals do for an eternity?

Darned if I know. Chase sticks, lick their balls. Whatever makes them happy.
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Darned if I know. Chase sticks, lick their balls. Whatever makes them happy


Would those be spiritual sticks or real sticks?
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Why sure it is. I do have a dog, you know.

And I have a cat.

I honestly have no idea what non-human animals will be doing in the afterlife. But since I both believe in the afterlife and accept evolution, I can't believe that only humans have an afterlife - we are animals like all the rest of them are.



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