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BadBadBad · 08-08-2003, 07:13 PM

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[B]brettc : I had a bible but someone stole it.

Must have been a christian.

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Sure they would die, are'nt we all dying? Isn't death bound up in life? Who are you trying to kid?

Whether they did or didn't die wasn't the issue, although you might ask Biff about that. The issue was what exactly were A&E choosing? They didn't know the consequences until after they ate the fruit. They must not have believed God about dying or they must not have understood it, because you and I wouldn't eat something knowing we were going to die.

Did they believe God? Sure, God made his existence obvious. Oh, wait that's what God was trying to make sure of. He wanted them to believe in him by they're own free will, but he took away their free will by making himself obvious to A&E. So, they already believed in God. What were they choosing?

Did they just choose to disobey God, just like my puppy analogy? As an innocent, not understanding the consequences? Or did they make an informed choice?

BadBadBad · 08-08-2003, 07:24 PM

So where did the tree of good and evil come from?

Did God put it there as a test for A&E? Is that the tangent we've gotten off on?

Demigawd · 08-08-2003, 07:27 PM

The Tree of Knowlege. A mythical "just so" story addressing why we humans are "different" from other animals.

Any theistic myth to the contrary is a case of "I ain't part of nature, damn it!" The arrogance of theism is laid bare. Get over your sense of self-righteousness, already.

08-08-2003, 09:34 PM

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I read somewhere that Shakespeare wrote Macbeth in three weeks.

Three weeks!

--J.D.

Well that was easy because the tragedies were all around him. Did you know that MacBeth was a satire against the CofE?

winstonjen · 08-08-2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
Biff the unclean : A brief introcuction to ranting!. Since when atheists can make religious points?

Atheists have been exposed to religion. That qualifies them, just as children who have parents can make points about parenting.

Also, go back to kiddy school and learn proper grammar. And spelling, too, while you're at it.

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Ah, you yourself are frustrated with ignorance and cruelty. This bothers me a lot too.

And not his own 'ignorance and cruelty.'

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Yes, many of us decended from barbarians, I must admit.

Speak for yourself.

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It is difficult to communicate with those who have fixated themselves on a belief or two. You believe they should not believe.

Strawman.

Amaranth · 08-08-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
Amaranth : I would'nt quite echo your sentiments seeing I quit the interaction when you stumbled onto the correct logical conclusion. Which was from nothing which agrees with current scientific thinking. I may be a little foward to suggest from nothing (godly).

You don't even seem to grasp your own argument. If you make a premise that god is everything, and everything that comes from god is god, you can't go on to say something is not god. This is the same sort of rediculous, backwards logic you get from apologetic classics such as the "first cause".

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Why are all my points irrelevant?

Probably because most of them are spawned from bad foundation and a twisted idea of what logic is.

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There again, you seem to know omniGOD was willing to intervene. How do you know this? OmniGOD could as well have been unwilling to intervene. Is'nt this some sort of blasphemy.

Bloody irrelevent. That god does intervene on other occasions makes the question of why god didn't intervene worth consideration.

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Now you are on firmer ground. Remember one event preceeded the other. The precedent set was surely non-intervention (even by your logic).

*sigh*

And the fact that god would intervene in later instances, but not in what I, and most others, would consider the most important instance, is a bit odd, don't you think?

Amaranth

Doctor X · 08-09-2003, 03:06 AM

Amaranth:

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Bloody irrelevent. That god does intervene on other occasions makes the question of why god didn't intervene worth consideration.

Indeed.

I am feeling a sense of déjà vu. . . .

--J.D.

winstonjen · 08-09-2003, 03:39 AM

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Amaranth:

Indeed.

I am feeling a sense of déjà vu. . . .

--J.D.

Maybe Sophie's mind learned to time travel. She evidently thinks that her arguments have not been rebutted.

:boohoo:

wade-w · 08-09-2003, 04:45 AM

I see that nobody has paid any attention to my request to get this thread back on topic.

I'll let it stay open for a while longer, but if the discussion remains on the current level I will close this thread. Let's at least try to keep it civil people!

sophie · 08-09-2003, 07:07 AM

Amaranth :

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You don't even seem to grasp your own argument. If you make a premise that god is everything, and everything that comes from god is god, you can't go on to say something is not god. This is the same sort of rediculous, backwards logic you get from apologetic classics such as the "first cause".

Would'nt it be obvious then that omniGOD can project nothing, not(GOD). It is not backwards logic, the implication is clear, omniGOD spawns God and not(God).

Let me make another attempt to clarify the subject matter.

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08-08-2003, 07:24 PM	#142
BadBadBad Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: WHERE GOD IS NOT!!!!! Posts: 4,338	So where did the tree of good and evil come from? Did God put it there as a test for A&E? Is that the tangent we've gotten off on?

08-08-2003, 07:27 PM	#143
Demigawd Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place Posts: 2,254	The Tree of Knowlege. A mythical "just so" story addressing why we humans are "different" from other animals. Any theistic myth to the contrary is a case of "I ain't part of nature, damn it!" The arrogance of theism is laid bare. Get over your sense of self-righteousness, already.

08-09-2003, 04:45 AM	#149
wade-w Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Silver City, New Mexico Posts: 1,872	I see that nobody has paid any attention to my request to get this thread back on topic. I'll let it stay open for a while longer, but if the discussion remains on the current level I will close this thread. Let's at least try to keep it civil people!

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