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Old 04-06-2003, 08:00 AM   #11
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Thanks Volker.Doormann, but I wasn't asking about the Kabbalistic or mystical aspects of Passover.
My question was about the historical aspect of the myth. Most religious stories involving miracles, whether true or not, only claim a small number of people having witnessed it, in the case of the Exodus, however, even though there is no archeological evidence, 2 million people are supposed to have seen this.
I can understand 12 people thinking that they had seen something and then going out and convincing others; but how, if the Exodus never happened physically do 2 million people suddenly belive that it did.
If in the 6th Century BCE the Bible was redacted, how do an entire people suddenly accept without question that this miraculous thing happened to their ancestors and they haven't heard a thing about it???
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Thanks Volker.Doormann, but I wasn't asking about the Kabbalistic or mystical aspects of Passover.
My question was about the historical aspect of the myth.
The historical aspect of the myth is to be found through the recorded documents. The 'manusmriti' from what I have given you an URL, was written about 2000 - 1500 B.C.E. The legend of Sargon of Arkad , doormann.org/sargon01.htm from what the Jews have taken the biography of Moses is dated to about 2200 B.C.E. The collapse of the sumerian culture and the growth of the 'Semitic' (this olive colored people are named after their codex of 'ManuSm(r)iti' from the Indus valley) culture in Mesopotamia is dated by Samuel Noa Kramer to 2200 B.C.E. All law codes, which was claimed by Manu one can find in the law codes of the Semite Hammurabi doormann.org/hammur.htm, which are in common with the laws of Moses from the Pentateuch claimed by the Jews as coming from god. But everyone can read this laws today in France Paris in the Louvre.

I think it is hardy possible to find true historic aspects of myths without to make a comparison of the well known documents of history or without to know the true meaning of the myths. This needs to know the Sanskrit text, the Semitic text's of Mesopotamia and Sumer from before 2000 B.C.E and it's meanings hidden in the symbols of the myths. No one is searching for a historical arche of noah, if he has read the Gilgamesh Epos (German version) doormann.org/gil23.htm from about 2800 B.C.E., because he knows, that in this Epos the flood myth is also dramatized to symbol the transfer of the soul through a spiritual sea to heaven, repeated in the Pentateuch as 'red sea' symbol in Exodus.

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If in the 6th Century BCE the Bible was redacted, how do an entire people suddenly accept without question that this miraculous thing happened to their ancestors and they haven't heard a thing about it???
You may take a look to my literature page doormann.org/lit01.htm to references about Jewish mysticism in books edited by Aryey Wineman. Reading this text's one can understand, that there was in Judaism also only a minor knowledge to the true meaning of that bible figures as mythical figures, while the crowd has had only knowledge about the social laws, same situation as today. But as we all know, rationality and reason is not allowed in social religious communities. Until today Christian theologists teaching in German universities, who claim reason and truth to supernatural claims by the religions, will kicked off by the government which is bondaged to the church.

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"I've never heard that exact theory before.
I know that there was one pharaoh who was monotheistic, but after he was assassinated ( I think) the next pharaoh restored the old pantheon.
Do you know of some websites with your theory"

not off hand, just the book "Moses and Akhenaten" by Ahmed Osman. A google search on Akhenaten will turn up something I'm sure.
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