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Bubba · 07-26-2002, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Darwin's Finch:
I saw him on the 700 Club, too. It was clear from his segment that he didn't have the slightest idea what real skepticism is, and I thought at the time that his skeptic credentials were suspect, especially when he started offering his "proofs."

His Skeptic credentials are irrelevant in a way. If his arguements stand up to reason, they stand up to reason. Given the fact that he is on the 700 club, I'd guess his arguements will probably help my roses and rhododendrons bloom better in the spring.

Tricia, by all means read that material when it arrives. Spotting the fallacies and sloppy historical analyses will be good practice for you.

By all means...

Bubba

Bubba · 07-26-2002, 02:42 PM

Sorry, I screwed up. Some of my words are in boldface type like they were Darwin's Finch's words...

Bubba

David Bowden · 07-26-2002, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bubba:
Given the fact that he is on the 700 club, I'd guess his arguements will probably help my roses and rhododendrons bloom better in the spring.

-Wanderer

butswana · 07-27-2002, 05:00 AM

Another fucking engineer? How embarassing. Makes me want to burn my BS EET degree.
15 years? It only took a few weeks for me once I started investigating, but I didn't think there was much to it to begin with.

BigJim · 07-27-2002, 05:22 AM

So he wasn't a rea skeptic/athiest, right? Kinda like how none of us were ever real Christians?

Pugilist Atheist · 07-27-2002, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by BigJim:
So he wasn't a rea skeptic/athiest, right? Kinda like how none of us were ever real Christians?

Or maybe in the way Mike Warnke wasn't a real Satanic High Priest before becoming an evangelist.

Mike Warnke's case isn't the exception, either. I think all the former "Satanic High Priests" who went on to become evangelists/apologists have been exposed as frauds. I guess a real skeptic would find the claims of being a "former hardcore skeptic/atheist" a bit suspect, as well.

Philosoft · 07-27-2002, 12:39 PM

Lee Strobel makes a big deal out of being a former skeptical atheist. But after reading The Case for Faith, and nearly throwing it away a dozen times for all the mind-numbingly condescending bullshit contained therein, he strikes me as exactly the type of atheist that our dear friend Mathews has underhandedly promoted as the stereotypical atheist: the one who hates God, the one who is so miserable within his "atheism" because he believes he is lost without God. The rhetoric the interviewees spew in the aforementioned book is so logically incoherent, it is impossible for me to believe Strobel had any kind of intellectual grasp on atheist, or for that matter, skepticism, at all.

Albion · 07-27-2002, 03:00 PM

An atheist who hates God sounds like an atheist unclear on the concept.

Bubba · 07-27-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Philosoft:
Lee Strobel makes a big deal out of being a former skeptical atheist. But after reading The Case for Faith, and nearly throwing it away a dozen times for all the mind-numbingly condescending bullshit contained therein....

Kind of scary that this is best seller material and that some very seemingly serious people take him seriously.

I usually post on the evo/cre forum and found his chapter on evolution to be horrendous...

Bubba

David Bowden · 07-27-2002, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Albion:
An atheist who hates God sounds like an atheist unclear on the concept.

Yeah! I think such a person is a lifelong superstitious theist who perhaps once wished he didn't believe in a God, and later found a way to be comfortable with a God-concept.

That's worlds apart from an intellectual conviction of atheism based on well-thought-out arguments provisionally accepted as most accurately describing the ground of reality.

Michael Martin's Atheism: A Philosophical Justification distinguishes between "negative" and "positive" atheism. This discussion on "former (pseudo-)atheists" makes me wonder: Has anyone ever attempted to create an even more comprehensive taxonomy of unbelief/pseudo-unbelief?

-Wanderer

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07-26-2002, 02:42 PM	#12
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	Sorry, I screwed up. Some of my words are in boldface type like they were Darwin's Finch's words... Bubba

07-27-2002, 05:00 AM	#14
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	Another fucking engineer? How embarassing. Makes me want to burn my BS EET degree. 15 years? It only took a few weeks for me once I started investigating, but I didn't think there was much to it to begin with.

07-27-2002, 05:22 AM	#15
BigJim Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Stepford, CT Posts: 4,296	So he wasn't a rea skeptic/athiest, right? Kinda like how none of us were ever real Christians?

07-27-2002, 12:39 PM	#17
Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	Lee Strobel makes a big deal out of being a former skeptical atheist. But after reading The Case for Faith, and nearly throwing it away a dozen times for all the mind-numbingly condescending bullshit contained therein, he strikes me as exactly the type of atheist that our dear friend Mathews has underhandedly promoted as the stereotypical atheist: the one who hates God, the one who is so miserable within his "atheism" because he believes he is lost without God. The rhetoric the interviewees spew in the aforementioned book is so logically incoherent, it is impossible for me to believe Strobel had any kind of intellectual grasp on atheist, or for that matter, skepticism, at all.

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