frikkie 5000

Hi guys...I would just like your opinion on the fact that Special Theory of Relativity disproves the existance of a omnipotent god ?

Alf

While I agree that there is no such god I fail to see how the special theory of relativity play any role in that reasoning.

Perhaps you try to say that as nothing can travel faster than speed of light then god also cannot travel faster than speed of light and so he is not omnipotent?

Sorry but such a reasoning fails for a number of reasons. Let me name a few.

1. Omnipotence means very often "do everything that is logically possible to do". If travelling faster than light is not logically possible to do - i.e. it would lead to logical contradiction if anything travelled faster than the speed of light (you would for example be able to observe the same thing at two distinct places at the same time, if someone were near alphacentauri 4-5 years ago and then travelled at faster than speed of light so they arrived here then they could watch themselves there (assuming a very good telescope that could see individual people so far away). Consequently, we would observe him at both places at the same time. Ergo, you can argue that it is not logically possible to travel faster than light and so an omnipotent being can no more travel faster than light than he can create square circles or married bachelors.

2. Some will argue that the omni potent being is not a material entity and the special theory of relativity only applies to material entities, so it is irrelevant.

3. The general theory of relativity generally renders the STR obsolete. If you have to appeal to STR and ignore GTR in order to make your case it is a no-brainer that your argument has no relevance to the real world whatsoever with or without omnipotent beings.

I am sure there are more but these are just two that will essentially render STR irrelevant with respect to omnipotent beings.

Alf

frikkie 5000

Lol..good point , but I was actually more reffering to the fact that if god is indeed infinite, then the universe would either be one big blob of matter or a seething cauldron of infinte energy.

Even if you do argue that god can enter our reality on a "special" condition he would either have to be finite in our reality or you'd have to redifine the whole problem.

I'm not using this as a formal logical argument but merely pointing out that in order to sustain god we constatnly need to adapt natural laws, contradicting our experiences.

Smart little kid you are Alf...

Ray Moscow

I can't see what one has to do with the other.

ughaibu

It seems to me that if god's infinite the universe too will be infinite, then interlacing should solve any problems of infinite energy or mass.

frikkie 5000

Sorry guys, I shoud have read my post beore posting. I'm sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm reffering to the mass-energy equivalence (MEE) or , E = mc2.

We obviousy live in a universe with limited matter and enregy. According to MEE if a infinite being entered our reality it would either become infinte energy or matter.
Granted there are myriads of loopholes to get around this ranging from god not being part of our universe to me being a noob, but I do think this is a viable avenue to explore further.

ughaibu

Looks like a contradiction, to me.

Alf

It's been many years since I was called a kid. I doubt it is appropriate.

Alf

Alf

No, theists will say that God is not material and so has zero energy and zero matter and so adds zero to the total mass/energy of the universe even if he were to enter it.

No theist will be swayed by such an argument and so it is not a viable avenue to explore further.

Alf

frikkie 5000

Uhm..correct me if I'm wrong here, but why are you an atheist...because you have PROOF of the non-existance of god.?.. Or don't you believe in god because naturalism is MORE probable...

We might as well stop thinking and debating theism/atheism altogheter...because theist can just claim that we are too stupid to understand...that pretty much ends the debate right there..

I'm not trying to.. win theists over..I'm just trying to clarify MY own thoughts and ideas..

P.s I was joking when I called you kid...:Cheeky: