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Undercurrent · 06-06-2003, 04:38 PM

Maybe not sucks, but they're not the really great movies people seem to think they are. Standard sci-fi, full of cliches and hackneyed plots, dubious reasons why swordfighting is still relevant in a universe containing heavy weaponry.

The star wars expanded universe, however, is remarkably self-consistent, and full of good stories. They explain some of the complex politics that's taken for grated in the movies and tack on some better tagentially related stories to boot. The only big ciriticima I have of the expanded universe is that no one at all in it seems to have an ordinary life. Even the background street crossers have glorious or tragic histories.

Jimmy Higgins · 06-06-2003, 06:46 PM

I guess I must be one of the only people that liked Attack of the Clones. I thought the Episode One was a bit childish, but I really don't mind where Lucas went with Episode 2. I think Episode 3 is setting up for something huge. But that is just me.

Shpongle · 06-06-2003, 09:07 PM

The only Star Wars movie I disliked was Attack of the Clones. And yes, I watched the Phantom Menace (twice).

Buddrow_Wilson · 06-06-2003, 09:16 PM

The problem I have is that after seeing the latest installments (ep I and II), I am no longer confident that the originals were really all that good. Sure I loved them as a kid, but I wasn't exactly a connasieur at the time. I am afraid to rewatch them because it might ruin what in my mind are great flicks.

Philosoft · 06-06-2003, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Monkeybot
I still like Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back pretty well, but Return of the Jedi gets on my nerves. I can't really say it's a bad movie, I just have zero desire to rewatch it.

Jedi is like two distinct movies to me. The first half (escape from Jabba) is IMO the best of them all, but the latter half (after Luke leaves Dagobah), with muppets, lines like, "There is still good in you, father" ["Where?" "Right next to your liver"] and hackneyed tension between Luke and Leia just makes it drag.

kwigibo · 06-06-2003, 10:31 PM

The only reason i watch Jedi is for the death star assault, it is still arguably the greatest epic space battle ever committed to celluloid (i know that the grasp of physics is dreadful). episode 2 is the same, with the CG battle at the end being one of its few redeeming features. Think of star wars without ILM's special effects. Its a horrible, horrible thought. Creating Industrial Light and Magic was one of the few well thought out things Lucas ever did.

August Spies · 06-06-2003, 10:58 PM

yeah yeah dude and you hate the beatles too. aren't you original and controversial.

Boba Fett owns you.

Buddrow_Wilson · 06-06-2003, 11:03 PM

huh? Its controvesial to hate Star Wars? Damn, Im jumping on that bandwagon! Screw Star Wars! Lucas Sux! Bwahahahahaaa

Beatles R Gud

ex-idaho · 06-06-2003, 11:05 PM

In the 80's I thought Star Wars was the greatest. But as movie writers have matured and the quality of the storylines has improved I really find the whole story a little ridiculous. There are still some things in that universe that drive me nuts, like giant space worms that live in asteroids with what are apparently parasitic bat creatures. Just a little to fanciful for me.

That being said I know I will find myself lined up for the final installment when it comes out because even mediocre sci-fi is better than another cop/buddy flick.

August Spies · 06-06-2003, 11:32 PM

its about as controversial as hating the beatles.

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06-06-2003, 04:38 PM	#11
Undercurrent Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 2,362	Maybe not sucks, but they're not the really great movies people seem to think they are. Standard sci-fi, full of cliches and hackneyed plots, dubious reasons why swordfighting is still relevant in a universe containing heavy weaponry. The star wars expanded universe, however, is remarkably self-consistent, and full of good stories. They explain some of the complex politics that's taken for grated in the movies and tack on some better tagentially related stories to boot. The only big ciriticima I have of the expanded universe is that no one at all in it seems to have an ordinary life. Even the background street crossers have glorious or tragic histories.

06-06-2003, 06:46 PM	#12
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	I guess I must be one of the only people that liked Attack of the Clones. I thought the Episode One was a bit childish, but I really don't mind where Lucas went with Episode 2. I think Episode 3 is setting up for something huge. But that is just me.

06-06-2003, 09:07 PM	#13
Shpongle Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frozen North Posts: 9,920	The only Star Wars movie I disliked was Attack of the Clones. And yes, I watched the Phantom Menace (twice).

06-06-2003, 09:16 PM	#14
Buddrow_Wilson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,589	The problem I have is that after seeing the latest installments (ep I and II), I am no longer confident that the originals were really all that good. Sure I loved them as a kid, but I wasn't exactly a connasieur at the time. I am afraid to rewatch them because it might ruin what in my mind are great flicks.

06-06-2003, 10:31 PM	#16
kwigibo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Posts: 5,814	The only reason i watch Jedi is for the death star assault, it is still arguably the greatest epic space battle ever committed to celluloid (i know that the grasp of physics is dreadful). episode 2 is the same, with the CG battle at the end being one of its few redeeming features. Think of star wars without ILM's special effects. Its a horrible, horrible thought. Creating Industrial Light and Magic was one of the few well thought out things Lucas ever did.

06-06-2003, 10:58 PM	#17
August Spies Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Vine Posts: 12,950	yeah yeah dude and you hate the beatles too. aren't you original and controversial. Boba Fett owns you.

06-06-2003, 11:03 PM	#18
Buddrow_Wilson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,589	huh? Its controvesial to hate Star Wars? Damn, Im jumping on that bandwagon! Screw Star Wars! Lucas Sux! Bwahahahahaaa Beatles R Gud

06-06-2003, 11:05 PM	#19
ex-idaho Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spudtopia, ID Posts: 5,315	In the 80's I thought Star Wars was the greatest. But as movie writers have matured and the quality of the storylines has improved I really find the whole story a little ridiculous. There are still some things in that universe that drive me nuts, like giant space worms that live in asteroids with what are apparently parasitic bat creatures. Just a little to fanciful for me. That being said I know I will find myself lined up for the final installment when it comes out because even mediocre sci-fi is better than another cop/buddy flick.

06-06-2003, 11:32 PM	#20
August Spies Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Vine Posts: 12,950	its about as controversial as hating the beatles.

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