AJ113

How convenient. Let me ask you this: If the bible was not full of contradictions, immorality and falsehoods, would you embrace it as the word of god?

Are you forgetting that many atheists on this forum were once christian? The bible is one of the main causes of deconversion.

RC's believe that the bible is inerrant and they are the largest global christian faction.

Really? How interesting! So you base your faith on the ramblings of a few guys two thousand years ago? Or you ignore the bible and just kinda make it all up as you go along?

There you go with that fallacious "most christians" line again. So tell me Rational BAC, exactly what DO you base your faith on? I'm just dying to know!

The Lone Ranger

It's not really my field, but you might try checking up on the history of Biblical translations. It's my understanding that for the longest time, the Catholic Church vigorously opposed all suggestions that the Bible be translated into the vernacular. By refusing to allow it to be translated from Latin, they pretty-much guaranteed that only priests and a few select others could read it.

I've read that various Protestant groups weren't always much more thrilled with the concept of having the Bible translated into the vernacular, since that would allow commoners to interpret it as they saw fit. Apparently, there were those who were quite upset when the King James Version came out in English.

Cheers,

Michael

Rational BAC

AJ---

Have forgotten already how to do the "view" thing, so will have to wing it.

Subject of ---------(if Bible were not full of contradictions etc)----------Well, yeah, sure, I would take it a lot more seriously as being the divine word of God. But it is most obviously not that way, so I do not take it that way. Have to live with what we got---an errant Bible.

Subject of--------RC's believing in inerrancy of the Bible? Maybe technically. I am sure the Pope believes that. But almost nobody else who is Catholic (overstating of course) thinks that.----

(---Hell my Dad was Catholic---his whole family was Catholic of course. Biggest bunch of skeptics I ever saw. Could be even worse in their skepticism than the Episcopalians on my Mom's side. (but that would be a coin toss actually) ))

Subject of ---------(also to Goliath)---most Christians are not literalist---Well there is another thread on this close by trying to determine the exact ratio---But even before the thread got halfway started everyone agreed that Fundy Christianity IS a minority. Trying to determine degree of minority right now.

Subject of---------What I base my faith on? Very long thread (Cherry Pickers) stating that at least as best I can--------Don't really want to do it again.

mark9950

Here thay are

Is a person saved by grace or are works also required? Paul and James seem to disagree on this.

James: (James 2:24 NRSV) You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Paul: (Gal 2:16 NRSV) yet we know that a person is justified not by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ.

James: (James 2:17 NRSV) So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

Paul: (Titus 3:5 NRSV) he saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, ...

James: (James 2:20 NRSV) Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren?

Paul: (Rom 3:28 NRSV) For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law.

James: (James 2:14 NRSV) What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you?

Paul: (Rom 4:5 NRSV) But to one who without works trusts him who justifies the ungodly, such faith is reckoned as righteousness.

Ok give me your God inspired interpretation of these verses.

Badfish

You obviously missed this one.


Ezekiel or something:
And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

mark9950

Lets see what magus has to say about this one.

Thats gross.

Rushianbeing

Let's see...what are the deeper meanings behind these contradictory verses?

1) How many animals of each kind did Noah take into the ark?

A) Noah is ordered to take two of each beast into the Ark:
Gen.6:19: "Of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark."
B) Noah is ordered to take seven of each beast into the Ark: Gen.7:2: "Of every clean beast thou shalt take thee by sevens, the male and his female."

2) How long did the flood last?

A) It lasted 40 days:
Gen.7:17: "And the flood was forty days upon the earth."
B) It lasted 150 days.
Gen.7:24: "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days."
Gen.8:3: "And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated."

3) On what day did the temple burn?

A) The temple burned on the seventh day.
2 Kg.25:8-9: "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month ... burned the house of the Lord."
B) The temple burned on the tenth day.
Jer.52:12-13: "Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month ... burned the house of the Lord."

4) To whom did Jesus make his first post-resurrection appearance?

A) The two Marys.
Mt.28:1, 9: "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.... And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him."
B) Mary Magdalene.
Mk.16:9: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."
C) Cephas.
1 Cor.15:4-5: "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve."


There are literally hundreds more, Magus, on this site, if you're bored...

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra.html

mark9950

I know he could talk that talk but he cannot and will not walk the walk.

He will never answer bible contradictions because he just went along with the religion that his parents brainwashed him into (just like myself before I started to question)without questioning anything like a sheep going to slaughtered by a deceptive sheepherder.

Magus55

Rushianbeing, iv'e been to SAB - its the dumbest, worst argument against the Bible i have ever seen on the web. Many atheists even in this board, say SAB is full of misinterpretations. Come to me with something credible before i bother with the crap from that board.

Magus55

News for you Mark. My parents aren't religious, and most of my family is Jewish therefore they don't even believe in Jesus. I came to God with His help, and by studying religion and the Bible. But thanks for assuming you know diddly squat about me.

And i don't respond to your supposed contradictions because they are stupid and every time i answer them, you ignore my answers and say - nope sorry - that explanation is wrong! So if you are gonna act like that with every defense i bring up, why bother?

I don't need to defend myself to you. I know the deeper meaning of the Bible, and I have faith in God - i don't care what you think about the Bible or God, because you don't want to listen to anything I say. Its a waste of time.