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01-24-2002, 12:20 PM | #21 |
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Some of the details are harder to swallow, though. Eve being made of Adam's rib, for instance. A talking snake. And didn't YHWH originally make Adam out of clay -- shades of Prometheus?
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I took out the world book dictionary out to just enlighten you the definition of the word "day"
As you see it is not so simple and there are at least nine definitions here. day: 1 the time between sunrise and sunset; Days are longer in summer than in winter. Even the fall of leaves in autumn may be postponed with an artificial increase in the length of day (Eric Ashby) 2 the light of day; daylight A cloudy day, a sunny day 3. a the 24 hours of day and night; the time its takes for the Earth to make one rotation on its axis: the day is increasing in length by about one- to two-thousandth of a second per century b. a day at a point or unit of time or on which something happens : The third day he shall rise again (Matthew 20:19 4. a certain day on which something happened set aside for a particular purpose or for celebration. Christmas Day, New Years Day. 5. hours of work; working day: an eight hour day 6. a time; the present day, in days of old 7. a period of life, activity power or influence:he has seen better days. Our little systems have their day (Tennyson) 8. a conflict; contest: Our basketball team won the day and thus the country championship too. The argument of the prosecution had carried the day, and the prosecutor leaned back on his chair with a sigh of satisfaction 9 a victory: The trumpets sound retreat, the day is ours (Shakespeare) The Bible places strong emphasis on def 1 or 3, so if it says day that is the sought of day it means. So the Bible says day it really does mean a 24 hour Earth day With firmament however it is a lot more straight forward firmament "the arch or vault of the heavens; sky": Knowledge, in Truth, is the great sun in the firmament (Daniel Webster) So it is a vault, and vault and firmament are use interchangeably in different versions of Bibles. And I shall now define what denotes vault vault 1.a.an arched masonry or concrete structure built so that the parts support each other, serving as a roof or covering over a space b. an arched roof or ceiling. c. something like an arched roof, especially the sky: Heaven's ebon vault, Studded with stars 2. an underground cellar or store house 3. a place for storing valuable things and keeping them safe 4. an arched space under the floor of a church, crypt. b. a place for burial 5. a natural cavern or cave 6. Anatomy an arched structure especially the scull. So the emphasis is on a semicircular "arch" and if you look at many an old bank vault, that is clearly evident. It is clearly does not mean a "celestial sphere" or the "vast cosmos". Just like day does not mean "era" or "epoch". So the Bible describing the sky as a firmament is very much in keeping with a flat earth, because any such vault has a floor, and the floor we are speaking of here is a flat earth Unless you are prepared to preach day means day because the Bible says day and not "era" or "epoch" firmament means firmament because the Bible says firmament and not "celestial sphere" or atmosphere. The trouble is although those fundamentalist young earth creationist like Ken Ham can pull the wool over the eyes of 100 million Americans with the six day creation because the Bible says "day ". so it is literally day. I do not feel they would be so embracing of a flat earth because the Bible specifically says the sky is a firmament. If they are really sincere, the likes of Ken Ham will be preaching not only young earth creationism, but also flat earth creationism. But they are not sincere are they. They just want to pass their buckets around their gatherings so you can fill them up with your money and they just laugh all the way to the bank. Their bank balances will surely drop if they started preaching such preposterous flat earth creationism, and the six day creation story even more preposterous than the flat earth. At least the earth is slightly fattened at the poles due the centrifugal force of its rotation and there are a few rather "flattish" asteroids out there, if you would like to fly a few young earth creationists on them on a one way trip. |
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Here's a couple of links to Art Chadwick:
His home page: <a href="http://origins.swau.edu/who/chadwick/default.html" target="_blank">http://origins.swau.edu/who/chadwick/default.html</a> The Earth History Resource Center: <a href="http://origins.swau.edu/<a href="http://origins.swau.edu/" target="_blank">http://origins.swau.edu/</a>" target="_blank">http://origins.swau.edu/<a href="http://origins.swau.edu/" target="_blank">http://origins.swau.edu/</a></a> I think he's wrong, but I do think he's honest. Thanks for providing the link to the talk.origins post by Troy Britian about Ken Ham (that's the post I referred to in my original message). I've got a copy of the letter Troy Britian gets his quotes from, and they're accurate. Quote:
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John Solum: "Brothels in Nevada aren't anything new. I'm from Utah originally, and Nevada brothels have been the butt of jokes for a long time."
That's funny. Around here, Utah is the frequent butt of jokes. |
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That has a lot a parallels with other creation myths. And even the Bible opens with two very different creation stories, the Seven day Creation story and the Garden of Eden. Just as different as 2 comparable creation stories like the Greek and the Norse ones. crocodile deathroll |
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Witchcraft and homosexual sex were also crimes in godly nations. But now, thanks to the liberal school system and TV, it is in our homes (on TV usually) and our children our indoctrinated by it in our schools. Some quotes by <a href="http://shop.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/AIGUS.storefront/3c529fa2031b0dde2719ac1410010605/Product/View/30&2D1&2D024" target="_blank">Ken Ham's "The Genesis Solution"</a>: (also a video made in 1987 that has some cool cartoons) p84-85 - cool picture (from the cartoons) showing people going into a high school - an environmentalist with a sign saying "New Age", Darwin with his book leading a monkey, a Yogi(?) meditating while two Indians carry him on a stretcher, a salesman with an exciting sign saying "Big Bang", a nurse with a box saying "birth control", Einstein carrying lots of books, and some kind of rocket scientist. A normal looking man with a huge box of junk which says "creation evidence" is stopped by someone in charge of the school. Quote:
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I think the one about the rod is the best one. <a href="http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=rod&SearchType=AND&version=NIV&restri ct=&StartRestrict=PROV&EndRestrict=PROV&language=e nglish" target="_blank">Here</a> is a search for "rod" in Proverbs in the NIV. Note that it also talks about a rod for the backs of fools. You should wear "church clothes" - like a nice pastel sweater or long-sleeved shirt with the top button done up or something (but not too overdone). And you hair nicely combed. I typed out a lot more than I planned on doing but you can see what his lectures are like (you can probably listen to audio of him on the AiG site). Societies acceptance of gays and abortion has definitely increased over the past few decades. I think a lot of the perception that families and crime is getting worse is because of the TV and things. In the 50's TV involve happy families, no sex-scenes, etc. As time went by, there was more murder and sex on T.V. So within the living memory of older adults, society seen through the TV, has gotten a lot worse. And promiscuity has probably increased, not just on T.V. at least compared to a century or two ago. Quote:
"Prostitution is illegal in Nevada counties with populations above 250,000, if I remember the law correctly. There are only two counties in the state with populations that large: Clark and Washoe." Another said: "Well, the travel channel (or is it TLC) is doing a special on Vegas all this week as it turns out at 8/8 E/P. They got around to the prostitution bit last night. They said that according to the state law that prostitution was legal in counties with a population less than 400,000 which included 10 of Nevada's 17 counties. Also said was that the brothels were not allowed to advertise and that you had to get directions from someone who knew the way (a cabbie or concierge.)" |
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after seeing snippets of him on the evolution documentary. Of course, we all know people only wear clothing because the bible tells us to. Has nothing to do with protection from cold, weather, etc, or the fact that: "Most people look better with their clothes on!" - Rosanna Rosannadanna |
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