Apocolips

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Our country was founded on a sham. Our forefathers were rich slave owning white guys who wanted it their way. So, when I see an American flag, I go, "Oh, my God, you are insulting me." Then you have a gay parade on Christopher Street in New York with naked men and women on a float cheering "We're here, we're queer", that's what makes my heart swell. Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag. I get choked up with pride.

This comes from the actress Janeane Garofalo. The quote comes from her biography from www.imdb.com. Miss Garofalo is a darling of the homosexual agenda. She encourages the burning of the American flag. She encourages indecency by having naked people in public. Through her words, she is advocating the overthrow of the United States government through her words.

When Isaw this, I was not looking for things to bash gays with, but there it was, in black and white for literally the whole world to see and hear. I do not need to sit here and waste my time telling you about the consequences of homosexual action on your lives, you can easily find this on different websites. I am here as a voice of the majority of not only the American people, but of people worldwide.

Naked men and women burning a flag in public. Naw, not a mental illness. Quite normal!

SENOR

Diadectes

Well in that case, perhaps you would like to tell us instead what the consequence of homosexual action has been on your life. How exactly have I, for instance (as a gay man), had a direct influence on the way you live you choose to your life and conduct yourself?

dk

Hey, I'd love to hear about the odd objects you've taken out of people's anus's, though its off track.

Here's an subject that I'd like to hear about from Dr. Rick comments...

Nowhere357

Things like the special right to not be tortured and beaten to death. To not be abused and discriminated against in daily life. Or like the special right to allow your life partner access to inheritance when you die.

Ah. So it's the gay jews who will really take over the world.

Now that just sounds stupid. You don't object to the data, and you don't object to the relevance of the data. But if it opposes your bigotry, it must be bullshit.

Yeah, the media must meet late at night to make up their nefarious plans. These involve special medialogical incantations and the regular mailing of checks to gay people.

Other than the fact that it's not a choice, you have a good point there.

Sure, job seekers are offered more money if they check the 'gay' box. Or at least the 'no children' box.

You are entitled to your opinion - but until you can show valid reasoning, don't expect thinking people to take you seriously.

Btw, when the gay community meets for their annual voting on agenda planks, this Garofalo person wasn't even mentioned. Maybe you should not hold an entire demographic hostage due to the militance of one person. Hmm?

scigirl

They cannot get married - that's one right they don't have. Would you give up your marriage if the State asked you to?

Also, did you see my post here that addressed the one website that you actually gave me? I addressed each and every "statistic" that you alluded to yet didn't even bother to quote yourself. Comments?
Please give me an example of a special right that they want. Just one example is enough. Should be easy to do. Just find the web site, click the little http:// button above the posting box, and put the web site in there, and click "ok."

Actually, these things have been denied of gays. Read that link I posted earlier - I posted several documented examples of gay and lesbian discrimination in the courts, hospitals, jobs, and hotels. Prove them wrong.

Source please? That one web site did not back up this claim, maybe you can. Show me. It should be easy to do, if this is true.

If my stuff is bullshit, you should be able to refute it. Show my which statements are bullshit, and back it up. Why has that been so hard for you to do, if I'm so wrong? Also, if you don't understand any of the studies - either how they did the study, or what their results mean - all you have to do is ask. Part of my job as a future doctor is to be an educator to the public about science.
Fine and dandy. Show me where my argument is wrong, specifically then. Saying it's wrong is just not good enough - no matter how many times you repeat yourself. Do you know how to use the quote function? Quote me, and show me specifically why I'm wrong. Even better - I challenge you to read just one PubMed abstract that I posted, and show me why THAT is wrong. You know, like "this study isn't good because they did not include a control" or "this study neglected X or Y or Z."

Education is all smilies? Huh? For the record, I have a bachelors degree in molecular and cellular biology, a masters degree in immunology, and i"m currently in medical school. It wasn't all smilies - it was tough fucking work. And there was no PC about it - it was all about being able to read scientific studies and critique them. Good scientific analysis is above all that PC crap. You should learn how to do it.

You really have a strange opinion about the USA, Senor. First you say that educated Americans are all wrong because you don't agree with them on the gay issue. Then you criticize uneducated americans for being uneducated and lazy. What exactly do you want Americans to be?

What does that have to do with anything?

Right. Or maybe it's because some people actually don't mind if gays have rights.

Sources please? Why is backing up your claims so damn hard for you?
So? Why do you care? And more specifically, why should that be a reason to deny gays rights? I don't plan on having children, and I'll make a bunch of money as a doctor. Are you going to deny me the right to marry? Of course, you don't want gays to have children, so shouldn't you be glad about your above claim?
But - you said that people aren't born gay. I already addressed why this might occur - you never refuted any of my points. Is that because I left you speechless about them?

No the way you affirm homosexuality is a choice is to prove that it is a choice[/i]. Nothing I bitch about is going to prove anything.

However, if you actually look at the scientific data that I posted, you will see clearly that there is a genetic component to homosexuality. Do you need me to explain those studies further? If you don't understand something about them, please just ask.

Here's yet another study for you to not understand and ignore. I bolded the parts that I thought were especially telling.
The effects of traditional family values on the coming out process of gay male adolescents.
So let me summarize the important points for you:
1) Most gay people know they are different, even as children.
2) The average age that gay men, in this study, were first sexually attracted to someone of the same gender, was 12.7 years.

That's not even 13 years old, and they know they are attracted to the same sex. In most states, 12 year old boys cannot be tried as adults. Why? Because they are considered to not have the capacity to make informed decisions and understand the consequences of their actions.

Yet you want people to believe that they are making this "choice" of homosexuality that is destroying lives, america, apple pie, etc.

Why would so many 12 year old boy "choose" to be gay in a family that doesn't accept gays? Will you please explain that to me?

Refute that study. In fact, refute any study I have quoted. Saying "I don't like what that bitch scigirl says" is not refuting, by the way. Besides, I'm actually quite nice - at least my patients think so.

Oh, and I will be back.

scigirl

scigirl

Dr. Kevorkian goes around killing patients and now he's in jail. Therefore I think all doctors are evil, and I don't think they should get married.

Fred Phelps is a Christian who goes around disrupting gay funerals. Therefore all Christians must be the same - and I don't think any of them should be allowed to get married.

Ted Bundy was a sick murderer, therefore all white males must be sick murderers and I don't think any white male should be allowed to marry.



Senor, you keep mentioning the "bad" gays throughout history (or the pedophiles, who aren't fucking gay, but whatever). Why aren't you using this list as examples of gay people?
Hmm - could it be that you single out the flamboyant obnoxious gays to illustrate all gays because. .. you are a bigot?

scigirl

edited to add another list:

Bree

Bigots don't like the "normal" gays (i.e. the ones they can't tell that are gay merely by sight) because it breaks up their idea that all gays are faeries that cross-dress, sleep with a different person every hour, and molest children in the bathroom. People like this just refuse to see the normalcy within the group.

scigirl

Bree, heh, so true.

Makes me wonder - where do gays find the time to destroy the moral fabric of society, if all they are doing is having sex all the time?

Gays and lesbians must have amazing time management skills.

Bree

Isn't that strange? The fact that all gays and lesbians are doing is having sex with someone they enjoy having sex with is somehow destroying someone else's peace of mind.

abe smith

the bluestocking academic woman (oh, cripes I can't fish-up her name!) the author of "AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL", who lived a long & happy life w/ her female friend/housepartner in what was probably a "Boston marriage". HAH HAH! See! the folk-wisdom recognised it when they saw it!. Katherine Lee Bates, I'm talking about.
The whole rationale of females's history in human history is that, starting w/ their own anatomical parts and their own physiological processes, and continuing through their enslavement and the social structures (including the Iron Boxes) which have been kept in place to confine them and to de-personalize them or UNperson them(in nearly ALL cultures), women have NEVER HAD WORDS/NAMES to call things by.; and hence , failing NAMES/WORDS, all-that HAS NEVER BEEN ADMITTED TO EXIST. If you think I'm making this up, ask ordinary women to tell you the names they call their parts & processes by. Ask them how those parts & processes work.

Remember the scandal when that SurgeonGeneral M. Elders (or whatever her title was) said publicly that children should be taught and encouraged to masturbate so that they wouldn't have to engage in early & dangerous uninformed sex? She was correct; and the Powers-That-Be kicked her out.

Knowledge is POWER, Baby; and that is why subjects have to be kept IGNORANT and STUPID, to make sure they continue to be GOVERNABLE.