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Hedwig · 07-29-2003, 09:10 PM

Yguy, I'm dying to hear your response to my post. I was one of those girls.

Calzaer · 07-29-2003, 09:14 PM

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By not answering the question, you have answered it.

SCORE! Exactly the kind of response I was looking for! That is going to get thrown back at you IN EVERY THREAD YOU EVER PARTICIPATE IN as soon as you start dodging questions! How does it feel to have your own words used against you?

yguy · 07-29-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Hedwig
Yguy, I'm dying to hear your response to my post.

See Doc? Another adoring fan.

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I was one of those girls.

Shame on you.

Something tells me that isn't exactly what you're looking for, but nothing else comes to mind. You need to spot me another hint or two.

yguy · 07-29-2003, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
How does it feel to have your own words used against you?

Offhand, I'd say it's about as novel a sensation as breathing. Having them used against me effectively is rare - but there is nothing rare about an opponent gleefully declaring victory over some imaginary faux pas.

yguy · 07-29-2003, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by McDuffie
Like I said, by your logic, her father was an accessory to this crime.

Probably was. He wasn't the first dad who let his daughter manipulate him. That isn't just weakness - it's irresponsibility. Consider, by contrast, a friend of mine who, when she became pregnant, realized what a jerk she had been as a teenager in her rebellion against the tough love her parents gave her - and apologized to them. It took a little while for their efforts to pay off, but they have a daughter anyone could be proud of as their well-earned reward.

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If she had gotten pregnant, I would have first learned that she was pregnant and subsequently learned that she was below the AoC. Would I be responsible for the pregnancy? Of course! Would I be responsible for the fact that she lied to get me in the sack? Of course not!

I didn't say you were responsible for that.

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It is a false dichotomy you are setting up: Either I am responsible in the event of pregnancy and committing the immoral act of willfully having sex with a minor, or I am not responsible for either.

That is ludricrous on the face of it.

Not to me, it isn't.

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This statement is proof that you cannot admit you are wrong. I do not want to get into the events of that evening, but does the phrase "it takes two to tango" ring a bell?

So you were both irresponsible. How does that mitigate against anything I've said?

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This is aside from the fact that using a consenting woman for your own instant gratification is not, necessarily, a mistake. If you think so, then discourse cannot continue as each of us will be necessarily prejudiced against the other.

I do think so. Your move.

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This "using a woman" statement of yours also indicates that it is the sex part that bothers you, not the fact that she was a kid. No mention on your part that she was so intent on having sex with an adult that she procured a false ID and was in a bar. No mention on your part that she lied to me about her age and to her father about my age to maintain the conspiracy. Just one lie would not have worked. She had to tell both lies in order to continue with her deception.

All that stuff may make her more guilty, but it doesn't make you less so, IMO.

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Earlier, I said that your logic says that her father is an accessory, but your logic could also reveal that I am to blame for the fact that her father was lied to.

Don't see how.

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You seem intent on blaming me for the whole thing.

She is not blameless. However, you had it entirely within your power to avoid the whole thing.

McD · 07-29-2003, 10:08 PM

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She is not blameless. However, you had it entirely within your power to avoid the whole thing.

I didn't because I did not have all of the information required to make an informed decision. Furthermore, the nature of this relationship was such that there was every indication that I had all of the information necessary to make an informed decision. That is why it happened, because I was placed in that position.

I had it in my power to avoid the whole thing, true enough, but I also had no reason to not do it with her. As far as I knew, she was fair game. Again, this proves that it is the premarital sex part that bothers you, not the sex with a minor part. Ironically, I care more about the actual crime aspect of this situation than you do. You are just bugged that people are having sex. If I had gotten arrested for this 'crime' you would say something like 'AHA!! See! That's whatcha get for having premarital sex with strange girls"

You appear to have the reasoning abilities of a sunday school dropout. You said "your move". My move is to avoiding engaging you in debate. You are obviously unconcerned with justice and impervious to reason.

Speck · 07-29-2003, 10:25 PM

A bit OT, but I always wanted to know what a Christians response would be as to why God makes reproduction possible for human females starting about 13 years of age (considering most females are able to produce offspring until 40 or so.)

Is it just due to our increased quality of life (diet, lack of disease, etc) or do Christians have another explanation?

Speck

yguy · 07-29-2003, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by McDuffie
As far as I knew, she was fair game.

Ah yes...fair game...such an fittingly predatory bit of vernacular...

Happy trails, pilgrim.

winstonjen · 07-29-2003, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by yguy
She is not blameless. However, you had it entirely within your power to avoid the whole thing.

So did she.

NZAmoeba · 07-29-2003, 10:54 PM

why do you have to have a legal sharing of assets before you can have sex? gotta be the stupidest idea going....

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07-29-2003, 09:10 PM	#61
Hedwig Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,921	Yguy, I'm dying to hear your response to my post. I was one of those girls.

07-29-2003, 10:25 PM	#67
Speck Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento CA USA Posts: 14	A bit OT, but I always wanted to know what a Christians response would be as to why God makes reproduction possible for human females starting about 13 years of age (considering most females are able to produce offspring until 40 or so.) Is it just due to our increased quality of life (diet, lack of disease, etc) or do Christians have another explanation? Speck

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NZAmoeba Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 478	why do you have to have a legal sharing of assets before you can have sex? gotta be the stupidest idea going....

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