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Pomp · 03-22-2002, 02:10 PM

In response to yet another example of spin's eloquent and stirring rhetoric:

I've already tried treating you as a rational adult, pal...time for the MST treatment. Mods, I apologize in advance, please feel free to delete my response.

Naaa. You persist in the myth of the renaissance man. You against the universe, as though you are something independent. 95% of what you think has been programmed into you and the other 5% is accident. Subjectivism indeed! You have very few thoughts that you can claim as your own. You're just an object with pretentions.

Yeah! All you objects, stop pretending that you can think for yourselves, get in line, and do what spin tells you.

You "prove" you exist by attempting to separate yourself from your surroundings. All that you have done is alienate yourself, then waffle on about subjectivism.

He's right, you know. I am continually waffling on the issue...I exist...no, wait,I don't...yes...I do...no...wait...yes...

If only I could become one with my surroundings like spin, I would know that I truly do exist. OM.

To understand that the major difference between yourself and the rest of the animals on this planet is your fat head, why not experience what you cause to happen to others: cut off a finger and see what it tastes like. Never know if you anaesthetize the hand well, you might come to like the taste.

Good point. There is no objective difference between harming one's self and harming others, and that pesky 2nd LOT, which would prevent one from metabolizing one's own body indefinitely, is a silly figment of subjectivist scientists' imaginations, invented to help them separate themselves form their surroundings so they could beleive that they exist. How foolish of me not to have seen it sooner.

If it weren't for the fact that animals have to die for your gut, this subjectivism stuff would merely inspire pathos.

Right again. Everything I think and do is part of an elaborate defense mechanism that helps me hide my shame at eating meat. Hell, half of modern philosophy is nothing more than an ad hoc justification for meat eating.

While we are here, tell me the last original thought you've had, that would give anyone the idea that you as an individual exist, and not just the you of the pathetic herd that exerts its existence by destroying half of what it sees, thoughtlessly killing whatever gets in the way.

Hmmm...the last thought I personally had before composing this response was "You are blatantly avoiding the issue," but 99percent already said that way back on page 5, so I guess you're right after all. Moooo.....

Subjectivism is the crutch of the alienated.

I only wish they hadn't broken both my legs when they alientated me...it's so hard to chase down my innocent bovine prey on these crutches. They do make nifty clubs once I catch the buggers, though.

The herd of the alienated crushes whatever is in its blind path. It doesn't know where it's been. It doesn't know where it's going. And it doesn't know where it is.

It's just too bad the herd has such a hard time stapmeding on its crutches. I bet we'd look wicked cool trampling some cows and pigs under our mindlessly undirected hooves.

When it has the opportunity to choose, it says, I can't, because I've been programmed to do what I do. When told that it actually can, then subjectivism pops up and says, hey, I can choose not to choose, if I want, while shoveling dead animals down its gullet helplessly.

If we don't choose, we're wrong, if we do choose, we're wrong, oh, what is to be done? Help us, spin! Show us the way! Be our guide and saviorr! All together now, "Spinny loves the little moo cows...Holstien, black, and white, they are precious in his sight..."

Subjectivism is one of those pathetic attempts at rebellion that you see young children make when they pull away from their parents, fall over and start crying. Nobody doubts that the child exists, perhaps with the exception of the child itself. (Yes, and it's difficult for parents to know when to let go.)

Thsi one time, I ate a burger, but it made me sick, causing me to fall over and hit my head. I cried like a baby. Ever since then, I've had this vendetta against cows.

There's just not enough time to observe anything outside one's myopic vision; one is too busy contemplating the collective navel. I guess it's no wonder that one has no respect for anything outside one's own cultural womb. This is existence in the fast lane -- down the asphalted superhighway to oblivion. I e x i s s s t t t t t...........

Yeah, man, like...slow down...smell the flowers. Breathe in the fresh air. Converse with the cows. They have all sorts of interestign things to say, which they will comminicate to you via a complex code that only spin knows. He'll teach it to you if you're good little boys and girls, though.

What's the last thing that passes through an insect's brain as it hits the windscreen? It's asshole.

What's the lat part of the cow I'd willingly eat? It's (sic) asshole.

Subjectivism.

...is neither a subject nor an ism. Discuss amongst your selves.

Queen of Swords · 03-22-2002, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by spin:

cut off a finger and see what it tastes like. Never know if you anaesthetize the hand well, you might come to like the taste.

Copycat, you got this from Graham Masterton's Ritual.

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-22-2002, 02:42 PM

spin

Quote:

{snip insults}

{snip self-contradictory assertions}

{snip more insults}

Whoops, nothing left to reply to.

You know, on self examination, your poor opinion of me doesn't bother me in the least! Imagine that!

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671723650/" target="_blank">Recommended reading</a>

[ March 22, 2002: Message edited by: Malaclypse the Younger ]

Not Prince Hamlet · 03-22-2002, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Copycat, you got this from Graham Masterton's Ritual.

Well, I know the joke about the gnat's mind appeared in Elmore Leonard's "Stick". It may have been used earlier than that, but that's the first occurence I've seen documented.

Jeff

Not Prince Hamlet · 03-22-2002, 03:19 PM

Malaclypse the Younger,

ROFL! You rock! I loved that book. (I wonder if Spin wrote it under a pseudonym, though.)

Jeff

spin · 03-22-2002, 04:02 PM

Macalypse:
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You know, on self examination, your poor opinion of me doesn't bother me in the least!
-----------------

I don't have a particularly poor opinion of you. You just can't help kidding yourself.

spin · 03-22-2002, 04:04 PM

PB:
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Everything I think and do is part of an elaborate defense mechanism that helps me hide my shame at eating meat.
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You have no shame. That would require some self-awareness.

spin · 03-22-2002, 04:06 PM

The line is far older than both books.

Pomp · 03-22-2002, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spin:
PB:
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Everything I think and do is part of an elaborate defense mechanism that helps me hide my shame at eating meat.
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You have no shame. That would require some self-awareness.

If nothing else, I now know how to respond to all those people who are always asking me "Have you no shame?"

spin · 03-22-2002, 04:07 PM

cut off a finger and see what it tastes like. Never know if you anaesthetize the hand well, you might come to like the taste.

Copycat, you got this from Graham Masterton's Ritual.

I haven't read it, but as you must know there's very little that is new under this sun.

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Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by spin: <strong> cut off a finger and see what it tastes like. Never know if you anaesthetize the hand well, you might come to like the taste.</strong> Copycat, you got this from Graham Masterton's Ritual.

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03-22-2002, 02:10 PM	#241
Pomp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indianapolis area Posts: 3,468	In response to yet another example of spin's eloquent and stirring rhetoric: I've already tried treating you as a rational adult, pal...time for the MST treatment. Mods, I apologize in advance, please feel free to delete my response. Naaa. You persist in the myth of the renaissance man. You against the universe, as though you are something independent. 95% of what you think has been programmed into you and the other 5% is accident. Subjectivism indeed! You have very few thoughts that you can claim as your own. You're just an object with pretentions. Yeah! All you objects, stop pretending that you can think for yourselves, get in line, and do what spin tells you. You "prove" you exist by attempting to separate yourself from your surroundings. All that you have done is alienate yourself, then waffle on about subjectivism. He's right, you know. I am continually waffling on the issue...I exist...no, wait,I don't...yes...I do...no...wait...yes... If only I could become one with my surroundings like spin, I would know that I truly do exist. OM. To understand that the major difference between yourself and the rest of the animals on this planet is your fat head, why not experience what you cause to happen to others: cut off a finger and see what it tastes like. Never know if you anaesthetize the hand well, you might come to like the taste. Good point. There is no objective difference between harming one's self and harming others, and that pesky 2nd LOT, which would prevent one from metabolizing one's own body indefinitely, is a silly figment of subjectivist scientists' imaginations, invented to help them separate themselves form their surroundings so they could beleive that they exist. How foolish of me not to have seen it sooner. If it weren't for the fact that animals have to die for your gut, this subjectivism stuff would merely inspire pathos. Right again. Everything I think and do is part of an elaborate defense mechanism that helps me hide my shame at eating meat. Hell, half of modern philosophy is nothing more than an ad hoc justification for meat eating. While we are here, tell me the last original thought you've had, that would give anyone the idea that you as an individual exist, and not just the you of the pathetic herd that exerts its existence by destroying half of what it sees, thoughtlessly killing whatever gets in the way. Hmmm...the last thought I personally had before composing this response was "You are blatantly avoiding the issue," but 99percent already said that way back on page 5, so I guess you're right after all. Moooo..... Subjectivism is the crutch of the alienated. I only wish they hadn't broken both my legs when they alientated me...it's so hard to chase down my innocent bovine prey on these crutches. They do make nifty clubs once I catch the buggers, though. The herd of the alienated crushes whatever is in its blind path. It doesn't know where it's been. It doesn't know where it's going. And it doesn't know where it is. It's just too bad the herd has such a hard time stapmeding on its crutches. I bet we'd look wicked cool trampling some cows and pigs under our mindlessly undirected hooves. When it has the opportunity to choose, it says, I can't, because I've been programmed to do what I do. When told that it actually can, then subjectivism pops up and says, hey, I can choose not to choose, if I want, while shoveling dead animals down its gullet helplessly. If we don't choose, we're wrong, if we do choose, we're wrong, oh, what is to be done? Help us, spin! Show us the way! Be our guide and saviorr! All together now, "Spinny loves the little moo cows...Holstien, black, and white, they are precious in his sight..." Subjectivism is one of those pathetic attempts at rebellion that you see young children make when they pull away from their parents, fall over and start crying. Nobody doubts that the child exists, perhaps with the exception of the child itself. (Yes, and it's difficult for parents to know when to let go.) Thsi one time, I ate a burger, but it made me sick, causing me to fall over and hit my head. I cried like a baby. Ever since then, I've had this vendetta against cows. There's just not enough time to observe anything outside one's myopic vision; one is too busy contemplating the collective navel. I guess it's no wonder that one has no respect for anything outside one's own cultural womb. This is existence in the fast lane -- down the asphalted superhighway to oblivion. I e x i s s s t t t t t........... Yeah, man, like...slow down...smell the flowers. Breathe in the fresh air. Converse with the cows. They have all sorts of interestign things to say, which they will comminicate to you via a complex code that only spin knows. He'll teach it to you if you're good little boys and girls, though. What's the last thing that passes through an insect's brain as it hits the windscreen? It's asshole. What's the lat part of the cow I'd willingly eat? It's (sic) asshole. Subjectivism. ...is neither a subject nor an ism. Discuss amongst your selves.

03-22-2002, 03:19 PM	#245
Not Prince Hamlet Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,309	Malaclypse the Younger, ROFL! You rock! I loved that book. (I wonder if Spin wrote it under a pseudonym, though.) Jeff

03-22-2002, 04:02 PM	#246
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Macalypse: ----------------- You know, on self examination, your poor opinion of me doesn't bother me in the least! ----------------- I don't have a particularly poor opinion of you. You just can't help kidding yourself.

03-22-2002, 04:04 PM	#247
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	PB: ------------ Everything I think and do is part of an elaborate defense mechanism that helps me hide my shame at eating meat. ------------ You have no shame. That would require some self-awareness.

03-22-2002, 04:06 PM	#248
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	The line is far older than both books.

03-22-2002, 04:07 PM	#250
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	cut off a finger and see what it tastes like. Never know if you anaesthetize the hand well, you might come to like the taste. Copycat, you got this from Graham Masterton's Ritual. I haven't read it, but as you must know there's very little that is new under this sun.

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