Treacle Worshipper

I know I'm rather late to this thread (haven't been around much), but I feel I ought to say something, as I have been known to debate gay rights with yguy.

I live in Britain. AFAIK there is no organisation here that promotes paedophilia. The age of consent is equal for all at 16.

1) I am bisexual.

2) Paedophilia digusts me.

3) I have seen enough of the effects of paedophilia to know that, even if a tiny minority of children are not harmed by sexual contact with adults, the vast majority are.

4) Persons who can't legally enter into contracts should not be legally considered capable of consenting to sex. If you're not considered competent to buy a house or a car, you aren't competent to consent to sex.

5) Therapists and counsellors should deal with the situation presented to them & not their preconceived opinion of what the situation should be. They should do their utmost to minimise their clients' trauma.

A friend of mine suicided 2 & 1/2 years ago. She was was so fucked up by the sexual abuse she had received from her father, stepfather and elder brother that she kept hearing voices telling her to inflict abuse on her infant son, then one year old. She hanged herself with her shoelaces rather than give in to the voices.

I hope I have sufficiently "distanced myself" from advocates of paedophilia for your taste, yguy. May I suggest you go reduce your chances of prostate cancer. (That's going to get edited, but for once, what the hell.)

<TW - why should we edit it? My father has had to deal with malignant prostate cancer, and he didn't enjoy the process. I think it is very caring of you to be concerned for yguy's health - Michael>

TW

yguy

Bordering on rude? Hey - blame the mods for not letting me realize my full potential here.

Come on Dal - you know it would take a hell of a lot more than that to bug me.

If you mean that the condonation of homosexuality was tantamount to an endorsement of pedophilia, I never made the mental connection. Pedophilia was as real to me as vampires at that time.

True, but several people here have fallen all over themselves making excuses for these parade organizers since the start of the thread. The parallel is obvious, I should think.

Dr Rick

False dichotomy

Interrogative strawman.

Nothing on this thread would allow anyone to rationally conclude that there is an argument here favoring NAMBLA or that there is no reason to disavow the group.

There has also been no rational argument presented by the homophobes that there is any reason for civil rights advocates to pander to those that hate homosexuals.

yguy

How in hell can a question be a strawman?

Daleth

Yes, we're both pulling our punches quite nicely.

[/QUOTE] Which is why I haven't hesistated to keep typing it. I'm easily amused.

I thought one didn't need to make a mental connection, just feel it in your gut cause we're all born knowing. Anyway, lucky kid if they weren't any more real to you.

If one of the parade organizers were here, I'd be asking them about it. But I'm not going out of my way to try to figure out why they made a certain choice.

Dr Rick

It inaccurately restates the refutation in the form of an interrogative; the question implicitly asserts that the argument has been made that "There is no reason to dissociate from NAMBLA beyond pandering to 'bigots'", which is a strawman.

It's analogous to posting "So yguy thinks all muslims are pedophiles?"

yguy

What a pathetic attempt at evasion this is. It's a perfectly legitimate question which anyone not intent on diversion would answer, "Yes, there is a reason for dissociation from NAMBLA other than pandering to 'bigots' ".

Dr Rick

...and another irony meter explodes.

Hedwig

No, actually, I was wondering what it would take to convince you that there is no link. You obviously see one if you go so far as to create this thread.

Homosexual activists have plenty of moral fiber on their own.

And, as a member of the queer community, I can say that there are many things that I say "no" to.

Why do you single us out in particular? To give us a chance to distance ourselves? There's no need. We as individuals do that quite well enough on our own without having to distance ourselves from undesirable behavior just for your benefit.

And don't pull the line that we're not doing it for you...you know damn well otherwise. I don't have a damn thing to prove to you. Neither does any other queer person active on these message boards. Neither does the homosexual community at large.

Pedophiles, as has been pointed out to you, are largely heterosexual. I'd be more right starting a thread saying "Attention all heterosexual men" and calling on you to distance yourself from them. But I wouldn't. Because, by and large, I don't see the need.

Hedwig

Sweety, it's hardly an either/or situation.