schu

Well, most people would want people who eat with them to wash their hands after taking a crap. If you are not one of them, if you don't want them to change their behavior, if you don't mind putting yourself at risk of cholera I guess that is your business.

Because I can't expect to inspire the brain dead, I don't try. Neither do I think it is productive to suck up to people who's claim it is that I'm going to burn in hell. If they don't think I'm going to burn as their bible says, then they should become agnostics instead of wishy washy/salad bar xians.



BULLSHIT as Penn and Teller so aptly put it. It isn't ignorance to believe there is a physical heaven and hell? To believe there is a big daddy up in the sky? Then please explain to me just where in the physical universe these things are. If they are not in this physical universe, then you don't know where they are and are arguing from ignorance. It is really as simple as that.

I think a ol' Chinese guy named Confucius said something like that long before the kid of the trinity was credited with it. But if I hold any believes from ignorance I am glad for someone to inform me of those.

I'm not looking from respect from the brain dead. I want them to know that I am on to their game. Their deluded practices. Their lying to themselves. They lie about what they can know and that is deceiving themselves. They should be made to face that fact every time they make an unsupportable assertion on this infidel board.

You assume that I'm ignorant about how the religious/xian mind works. Well, you're wrong. You are the one who lacks understanding here. You should understand that the god of the bible can't exist. The contradictions of the characteristic of the god of the bible makes this so. It don't take rocket science to know this, only a little bit of reasoning will compel a rational person to know this. Only the brain washing of children allows the psychotic thinking of religion, the believing of impossible things, to continue in the world in this day and age.

The supernatural preservation of dead people! How brain dead does a person have to be to believe this can happen? The truth is they have to be out of their cotton pickin' minds.

Infinity Lover

I'm not saying that people in general don't have a point here.

I am however saying, it's dumb as shit to first do something as counterproductive as being an asshole about it, and then act all indignant about the response they (don't) get, often using that as a bogus justification to reinforce stereotypes.

Sabine Grant

Well you have your methods and I have mine. I simply do not believe for myself that demeaning someone's course of thoughts with harsh comments leads to anything productive.

You have given up on those you qualify of "being brain dead". You do realize though that many non theists have chosen to not give up and do not resort to your personal course of actions. If you do not, I certainly do.

Oh about hand washing.... when I lived in Morocco I rode on a bus going thru the mahgreb. The driver stopped for a bathroom break... we are not talking a gas station here we are talking about behind any bush you could find. Several of the muslims stepped off carrying a little bucket or jar of water. Later I found out that it is part of their religious belief to wash the hand which came in contact with their genitals and to never use that hand to eat.

The fact that Confucius had already presented the concept of not doing onto others what you wish to not be done onto you only supports the fact that there is great validity to adopt that behavior. Confucius can hardly be evaluated as "brain dead"so I will assume that you can retain some of his teachings.

As far as the physical Universe is concerned, it is prudent to not make the claim that you or I do know what that Universe contains. At a time we are still discovering and exploring that Universe, even the most enlightened scientific minds have to rely on theories to explain the existence of that Universe. The present human knowledge is based on the reality which surrounds us and that reality is modified as we discover new elements in the Universe. Of course unless you believe that we have discovered all physical laws and there is no way they can be modified thru further exploration. Einstein can hardly be considered "brain dead" no matter how disturbing it may be to some thinkers that the laws of relativity do open a gate to the concept of metaphysical reflection.

The term "brain dead" I apply only to a patient who has no cognition whatsoever and whose brain activity has been evaluated by physicians as being non existant. I doubt you have the proper qualifications to evaluate that millions of human beings are "brain dead". IMO you are being quite fanatic in the way you describe theists. You will not accept a moderate christian's point of view and call him or her " a wishy/washy salad bar christian" and will reject a less moderate christian who believes that " you will burn in hell". In other words, it seems to me that you will accept only opinions that are similar to yours and different perspectives are not acceptable and are greeted by rather radical statements. That course of thinking to me is dangerous as it echoes some of the reasons why in the course of human history mass murdering has occured, oppression and repression of minorities have occured etc... in other words " you are only allowed to think as I do".

There are various currents of thoughts within christians when it comes to what " hell "means. For some such as myself, we do not take its description literaly from the Bible. We foresee a place in eternity where one is separated from God's presence. That concept should not be disturbing to you since you have no desire to be in any god's presence now or forever.

As far as the brainwashing of children goes I do not know if you are a parent but it becomes evident that during teen years, most kids are going to rebel againts what is forced upon them by indoctrinating parents. School is one area where they encounter different currents of thoughts amongst their peers. Granted kids who are homeschooled in religious families will not benefit of that exposure. My middle daughter who is now 15 is capable of balancing what her parents taught her with other currents of thoughts as she attends a school of Performing Arts and socializes with kids who have more liberal views than hers. As a result she has become quite accepting of other people and is comfortable forming friendships with gay students. She has learned to value individuals no matter what their choices are rather than be restricted by any prejudicial thinking. Her closest friend is an atheist and they can still enjoy life together and be best buddies. Their concern is not to dwell on " You are only allowed to think as I think" but to relate to one another as friends. Because they are both fun loving kids and their personalities are similar. The rest is irrelevent to them. Her friend was there for her during the divorce and she was there for her as her buddy experienced the same brokenness.

IMO and based on my own kids' experience, any "brainwashing" dissipates as they are exposed to the need humans have to relate to each other when experiencing pain or joy.

Mad Kally

Thank you for sharing that with us...

hezekiah jones

Can we please try and keep this thread focused on the subject of rotten, putrefying corpses, and not turn it into a thread about dirty hands touching one's own genitals and then someone else's food? I mean, really. There may be children viewing. Thanks.

lunachick

LOL!! :notworthy

Sabine Grant

The link which was indeed questionable in this thread has been removed by decision of the Administration as announced in the Bug Complains etc forum. So there should be no reason for anyone to not return to the initial topic and challenge the Uncorruptible claim of the bodies of saints with scientific or philosophical thoughts.

Amos and Gemma are you still around?

GEMMA : my argument in challenging your claim that there is God's supernatural intervention behind that conservation of their corpses was presented in an earlier post. I will give you another opportunity to respond and I will rephrase my argument in case it was too blurry.
You have expressed great devotion to Christ so I need to assume that we both are talking about the same Christ including His Character. His ministry which included miracles affected the living. There were to be manifestations of God's power but with effects on the conditions of people. I feel that it would be out of character for God to focus on conserving certain corpses for the purpose of manifesting His Glory. If it is a sign of Him wanting to tell us believers that those particular saints are special to the point He will preserve their bodies after death, it still contradicts the concept of the soul being what is preserved and not the physical body. Their sainthood is to be manifested in Heaven thru their glorified body in Heaven.... of course I am basing my argument on what I have gathered from biblical exploration rather than any church publication.

Someone mentionned cremation earlier.... are those bodies then corruptible because there is no way to preserve them? what if one of those preserved bodies were to accidently burn to ashes.. would that be a sign from God changing his mind , or not being powerful enough to preserve that body....
My point is that at times when we pertain to demonstrate God's power thru supernatural phenomenons we might end up limiting his actual power and means to demonstrate it.

Any thoughts on that Gemma?

Mad Kally

Dead, decomposing, stinky corpses again? I'd like to hear more stories about the bowel habits of various cultures. (Being a nurse and all)

If you get near the Ganges River, do NOT put your foot in the water. You won't like the parasites you will get! Like liver flukes and various other things. Eewwww

Sabine Grant

yes I heard about the Ganges River and how people still bathe in it....in the 70's an epidemy of cholera affected the population of Naples Italy because of bathing right by the sewers in the bay. We even had one case of typhus when I got there in 95 with an american girl who got it from drinking water from the fosset. I took months for the Navy doctors to diagnose it. They simply did not how to recognize the symptoms.
I probably have more natural immunities in my body than some americans do as I grew up in Africa and was exposed to all kinds of parasites. Palludism, amibes ( those are really nasty when they get in the liver). You could not prevent being exposed to all kinds of things no matter how much permanganate you poured in your water , on fresh produces etc...( yucky red stuff that chemical).
When I present my shoot records to american doctors, they get dizzy. What the heck is "antiamaril" ( malaria)... " anti variolic( smallpox) plus it is all in French... hehehehe.
This is kind of off topic but I am curious.... as a Health Care worker do you think the smallpox vaccination "encouragement"we are getting is valid . It is not an issue to me as I was vaccinated in France but it might be for others.

Yellum Notnef

What about that thingy that swims right up your urethra? Is that in the Ganges too or is it only in the Amazon?
You know what thing I`m talking about right? That worm that swims up into your urethra and then spreads out some hooks making it impossible to remove without penile surgery or amputation.
I mention penile surgery and not vaginal surgery since it`s my understanding that this worm mostly affects men. Maybe it`s got to do with the fact that a mans urethra is more attractive to the worm since it`s inside the penis shaft which would be swinging around in the water.

I dunno.