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Inconnu · 04-25-2003, 05:28 AM

Jesus realised he was wasting his time on us dressed apes and jumped on the first flying saucer off this rock!

"Yeah you lot, erm, be good an all that...byeee!!!" --WHHoooshh--> *waves*

Shake · 04-25-2003, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
It means the same thing with a capital "C." Did they even have capital letters at that time? What it was doing was excluding all the "heretical" Christian Churches and recognizing only that Church that was authorized by the Imperial Roman Government. There's no way to sneak Protestantism into the Nicene Creed.

No, it doesn't. Opera Nut is correct with the small 'c' version meaning "universal." I googled 'Nicene Creed' to see what I could find, and
here is a link to the history of the Creed which I found on the Introduction link here. The following is from the historical note:

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The Nicene Creed is the most ecumenical of creeds. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) joins with Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and most Protestant churches in affirming it.
(bold add for emphasis)

Rhea · 04-25-2003, 07:41 AM

Okay, so where is the mention of fruits, then?

Opera Nut · 04-25-2003, 11:54 AM

A couple of other notes: The Lutherans change "catholic" to "christian" because they want nothing to do with the word even if it does mean universal.

In the Apostles Creed, which is the one I've heard all my life, the Methodists take out the part "He descended into Hell". Don't ask me why, I didn't go to Southern Methodist University in Dallas.

To use the word "catholic" in a sentence: I have a very catholic record collection. I.e., many different kinds of music are represented in it.

Rhea · 04-25-2003, 12:02 PM

Hey, where did Radorth go? I asked some direct questions. I thought they were on topic, polite. Maybe not?

What's wrong with adressing them?

Amaranth · 04-26-2003, 11:45 PM

Don't feel bad, Rhea. I'm still waiting for Magus to define a "True Christian."

Oh well...

Radorth · 04-27-2003, 09:04 AM

Claiming their questions were never answered, as usual. I doubt you two will ever invent a question I haven't heard or addressed already. Saying I answered a question unsatisfactorily is fine. Intimating I'm afraid to or refuse to address them is merely self-aggrandizing nonsense. Radorth hasn't gone anywhere.

We've provided a definition of a true Christian almost all Christians can agree on. You are just nitpicking Magus' posts now hoping to convince yourselves you didn't waste bandwidth again.

Rad

yguy · 04-27-2003, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by blondegoddess
True, but I've known a few that never witnessed, they instead lived a godly life and helped others and never judged. In Christian theology, a person is not supposed to judge sinners. That is only Christ, the judge's right.

Let us remember that a person who heaps praise upon another to boost self-esteem is also judging in a manner reserved for God alone. Positive judgments are judgments nonetheless.

Biff the unclean · 04-27-2003, 11:17 AM

Sake, as your link tells the Nicene Creed was a pledge to the one Catholic Church. It was meant to establish its teachings as the only true ones as opposed to those of the Arian Christians.
The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) may want to affirm it but there is still the problem with Protestantism having split from the universal Christian Church in the 1500's, well over a thousand years into the game.

I know that most Protestant churches affirm it, and I know that they try to pass off the ridiculous lower case "c" to do so.
It's called "eating your cake and keeping it too."

Rhea · 04-27-2003, 12:04 PM

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Claiming their questions were never answered, as usual. I doubt you two will ever invent a question I haven't heard or addressed already. Saying I answered a question unsatisfactorily is fine. Intimating I'm afraid to or refuse to address them is merely self-aggrandizing nonsense. Radorth hasn't gone anywhere.

Okay, cool. Please point me to where you answered these two direct questions relating directly to your post:

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So until people get an answer from God they aren't a Christian? Is that what you mean? That explains a lot of atheist stories, but not all. Some of them absolutely had those testimonies.

Didn't you say in the divorce thread that you could identify the non-christians by their fruit? Why were you being so unwise?

Thanks. Let me know when you find where you answered them.

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04-25-2003, 05:28 AM	#31
Inconnu Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: here Posts: 121	Jesus realised he was wasting his time on us dressed apes and jumped on the first flying saucer off this rock! "Yeah you lot, erm, be good an all that...byeee!!!" --WHHoooshh--> waves

04-25-2003, 07:41 AM	#33
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Okay, so where is the mention of fruits, then?

04-25-2003, 11:54 AM	#34
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	A couple of other notes: The Lutherans change "catholic" to "christian" because they want nothing to do with the word even if it does mean universal. In the Apostles Creed, which is the one I've heard all my life, the Methodists take out the part "He descended into Hell". Don't ask me why, I didn't go to Southern Methodist University in Dallas. To use the word "catholic" in a sentence: I have a very catholic record collection. I.e., many different kinds of music are represented in it.

04-25-2003, 12:02 PM	#35
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Hey, where did Radorth go? I asked some direct questions. I thought they were on topic, polite. Maybe not? What's wrong with adressing them?

04-26-2003, 11:45 PM	#36
Amaranth Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 279	Don't feel bad, Rhea. I'm still waiting for Magus to define a "True Christian." Oh well...

04-27-2003, 09:04 AM	#37
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Claiming their questions were never answered, as usual. I doubt you two will ever invent a question I haven't heard or addressed already. Saying I answered a question unsatisfactorily is fine. Intimating I'm afraid to or refuse to address them is merely self-aggrandizing nonsense. Radorth hasn't gone anywhere. We've provided a definition of a true Christian almost all Christians can agree on. You are just nitpicking Magus' posts now hoping to convince yourselves you didn't waste bandwidth again. Rad

04-27-2003, 11:17 AM	#39
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Sake, as your link tells the Nicene Creed was a pledge to the one Catholic Church. It was meant to establish its teachings as the only true ones as opposed to those of the Arian Christians. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) may want to affirm it but there is still the problem with Protestantism having split from the universal Christian Church in the 1500's, well over a thousand years into the game. I know that most Protestant churches affirm it, and I know that they try to pass off the ridiculous lower case "c" to do so. It's called "eating your cake and keeping it too."

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