K

Ron:

I am still amazed. It is just so hard for me to imagine that someone could be that blind without being deliberately obtuse. Hmmm, maybe I'm not so amazed anymore.

Radorth

I'd say glaring disconnect is in your head because you cannot make intelligent distinctions between people who follow Christ "in spirit and in truth" and those who don't. You make them one homogenous mass because your world-view would greatly suffer if you did not. Franklin shunned Christianity as a whole but had only the greatest admiration for Whitefield. Jefferson shunned Christianity but wished Jesus' words with "nothing added" would be preached everywhere. Real thinkers make these distinctions. All you can do on this subject, which you will now introduce in every thread apparently, is see in black and white and use legalistic definitions. Whitefield gave all and particular credit to Jesus and since Whitefield himself knew his own weaknesses, (and oft confessed them) Jesus deserves proper credit. People who know themselves humbly give credit to others. Well, some of us do anyway. The rest of us like to reinvent the wheel and pretend we did something.

Radorth

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Radorth

Not at all. Aimee, joedad and Kirby adopt no such posture to my knowledge, and they get sincere answers. Apparently they can agree to disagree, and are not here simply to back Christians into corners "tile by tile."

I get moved to "rants" for such stuff, but you don't eh? How nice for you.

Radorth

lpetrich

Which makes Thomas Jefferson a sort of Unitarian.

Does Thomas Jefferson make Radorth want to convert to Unitarianism?

Over in that RR&P thread, Radorth revealed his best evidence: that he would sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and speak in tongues and prophecy and stuff like that.

Even as he showed contempt for mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan's belief that the Hindu goddess Namagiri would reveal mathematical formulas to him.

Let's check what the favorite deities of these two gentlemen have accomplished:

Namagiri with Ramanujan: revealed to him some interesting mathematical formulas

The Holy Spook with Radorth: awakened him in the mddle of the night and made him babble senselessly

The Holy Spook seems more like trickster-god Loki than a genuinely benevolent deity like Namagiri.

Whatever "legalism" is supposed to be. Is it anything other than a way of waving away parts of the Bible that one dislikes?

NOGO

Well, excuse me for challenging your beliefs.
I suppose that Aimee, jodad and Kirby are here to get information only from the master Radorth and agree to disagree.

So that is what these discussion forums are about! Getting information. Foolish me, I thought that they a place where ideas are presented and/or challenged.

Yes, Radorth, I have this silly claim that Christianity cannot withstand critical arguements.
I have argued with Christians many times and over many years. Usually we end agreeing to disagree as you say. But few will follow every arguement to their logical conclusion; they usually bail out.

As I stated in the first post on this thread one of the basic reason that I am no longer a Christian is the issue that I presented on "God's plan". After reading the Bible from cover to cover this one item stood out in my mind. I have never been able to get an answer from anybody and it does not seem that I will get any from you.

I cannot be more sincere than that. This is not an issue that I dreamed up to paint you into a corner. This issue was the first tile which I cleared on my way out of the corner.

I will post this topic again as a general topic rather than as a challenge to you personally and I do hope that you will participate as you see fit.

Regards,
NOGO

Radorth

Ah no, and you still don't get it, judging by the gratuitous sarcasm, particularly the "master Radorth" comment. I can tell if someone is pretending to be sincere, and when someone is asking a question without some ulterior motve. Oddly the latter's are more thoughtful and difficult to answer, and the former's are presumptious and simplistic. That's how I tell anyway. I am sometimes mistaken, but I've been doing this (4000 posts about) for awhile.

Radorth

K

Radorth:

You, my friend, are the king of pretending to be sincere while really having an ulterior motive. In RRP, you created a thread ostensibly to discuss the idea that atheists didn't give Christians the proper credit for their accomplishments. What you actually claimed to prove by citing these accomplishments was that it was God Himself behind the actions. To show how much of a discussion it really was, you insisted that God exists and that the NT was accurate. You gave no evidence or support. You just insisted it was the truth and would accept no arguements to the contrary. That's nothing but preaching - and a huge ulterior motive.

Radorth

Spoken like a true preacher.

The evidence and support has been given elsewhere. The fact that you don't agree should not keep me from resting an opinion on it or even PREACHING. Are you saying we have to start from scratch on every thread?

My points were two-fold and all stated by page 2, when people started demanding I prove something sixteen scholars have already tried and failed to prove to them. In fact my direction was obvious in the first post. When did I ever try to deny I believed God speaks to people and inspires them? Now you act like I did something underhanded, and all holier-than-thou. The problem arose when people started demanding I disconnect the two and basically admit Christians are either deluded or lying when they attribute their best accomplisments to God.

Hey, guess what. We're all screw-ups here bub, or if you'll pardon the expression, sinners. Get over it Mr. Pot.

Signed,

Mr. Kettle

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Radorth

Before the moderators rightfully close this thread, let us make note of who started dragging their issues on the RRP to other threads. If certain people will stop doing that, there is much more hope we can stick to the thread subject.

Radorth

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K

Radorth:

I don't want to get this move to RRP either. I shouldn't have brought that up here, I just tried to point out that you shouldn't be accusing others of having ulterior motives.

I've addressed our differences over in RRP and will avoid bringing that here again.

My apologies to the people of thread.