Amos

There is the aspect of vengeance and there is the money factor.

Amos

Hold it sullster, it was your idea that American pedophiles want to become priest. I had nothing to do with that but just wanted you to realize what you are actually saying.

Panta Pei

Amos stated:

"There is the aspect of vengeance and there is the money factor."

Behold the morally bankrupt defense of the act of defilement by impuning the integrity of the victim by implying ulterior motive.

Accordingly, we should assume that humans would place themselves and their families intentionally up to public scorn, ridicule, stigma and psychological distress for a few dollars.

Amos, I have never worked a case where the testimony of the victim was the sole factor in arrest and conviction. Probable cause evidence(torn or abrased vagina or anus, STDs, the presence of seminal excretions, other witness testimony, etc.) also existed to support the accusation.

Christians have such a poor view of the human condition

sullster

Amos, you jesuitical spinner of webs of deceit.
Read my original posting, where does it say that I am putting the whole issue of pedophile priests on the Americans only. True I am talking about a local issue in Boston, but my issue is with the whole "universal" church.

You are the one who infers that pedohpilia is a protestant corruption of your church. Your posting clearly states this, I rest my case.

You can't see that the medieval sytem still in business in your church is bankrupt and sick. You want people for burning at the stake, then all your pedophile priests should be toasted to crisps.

The corruption is in your church, not in society. Pedophiles do time in prison and are not passed around to another area where they can prey on children. Your church is an accomplice in ruining children's lives. Oh yes, that doesn't matter does it? The wonderful heaven that only catholics go to makes it all justified. Dam nihilism!!!!!!!!! Your religion is a moral pit.

PopeInTheWoods

According to Webster's, and all usage I've ever come across, human refers to the entire homo sapiens species. Man and woman refer to the male and female members of the species, respectively, when used together. Man can also refer to humankind in general, but human NEVER refers to solely the male gender.

Andy(PITW)

Amos

It has nothing to do with the human condition and I agreed that they should be punished and made to pay compensation with this line "in other words, the priest goes to jail (as he should) and the Church is charged large amounts of money to compensate the victims (as they should)."

But, really, what does the church have to do with the moral behavior of priest? Why not sue the priest? why not the parents of the priest instead of the employer? Should we hold teachers responsible for the moral behavior of children because they have a bigger slushfund? Should we make the police force pay when an officer does wrong? Why don't we make other pedophiles pay?

Amos

Amos

But Andy, I never stated that human refers to males only because all of mankind, each individual, is part human and part woman. With hormone therapy we can change our gender identity but not our sex.

Lets do some gymnastics with words and you'll soon see why you dictionary speach is absurd since the modern gender society was introduced.

We have a gender identity wich is not equal to our sex because with hormones we can change our sexuality (gender identity) but not our sex. Our sexuality consists off both our humanity and our womanity (its counterpart) and an increase of our humanity will be at the reduction of our womanity (notice the -ity suffix here) or visa versa.

Not only hormone therapy but also cultural influences affect our gender identity and so this should tell you where all the homosexuals and fertility clinics are coming from since we entered the era of gender equal identity.

Amos

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PopeInTheWoods

I suppose I asked for that....

Panta Pei

Hey Amos:

I was referring to your ‘thinking aloud’ comment that I quoted, “There is the aspect of vengeance and there is the money factor.” I was reflecting on this cynical view you hold for the victims of crime.

It has everything to do with the human condition, as Christians view humans as inherently defective from conception due to the fable of “original sin”.

By the way, in case you haven’t noticed, the Christian mythos holds everyone accountable for the act of another that allegedly occurred a few thousand years ago. Your ability to practically state where you personally discover liability conflicts with the absurdity of “original sin”. It does, however, indicate that humans have a better grasp on justice than the Christian superman of the bible.

The priestly caste is based entirely on the moral precepts of the ‘church’ and is totally disassociated morally from their estranged ‘human’ family. The ‘church’ has also played an active part in surreptitious acts regarding these incidents with overt knowledge of the accusations thereby become responsible for perpetuating the problem.

Children are not morally bound by teachers, but are by their parents. Parents are routinely held accountable for the actions of their children.

Also, any offense carried out while an officer is acting in a law enforcement capacity would include penalties for the officer and potentially for the direct supervisors, the agency and the city as each entity has been responsible for training, instruction and behavior review. It is this vicarious liability that provides a certain higher level of deterrent and peer review on a case by case basis.

Pedophiles are routinely ordered to pay restitution to their victims and are more often than not sued civilly especially if they were in a position of trust.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

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Born Free

Look up the word gender or sex in any dictionary I think you will find they mean the same thing in relation to MALE AND FEMALE. I've never come across anyone who has a problem with what man and woman mean and you want me to choose my words carefully???

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