Ed

No, the foundation of Christianity is the existence of the Christian God, which I have demonstrated is a rational belief using a basic law of logic, causality.

winstonjen

No, because if that were true, wouldn't people instinctively know that the Christian god exists from birth?

From observations of brainwashing children, the primary basis of Xianity is from spoonfeeding helpless children religious propaganda when they cannot resist.

Ed

Using the Law of Causality.

Biff the unclean

Fiach: Some palaeoanthropologists posit that it might be possible to bread a chimp with a human but the problem is finding a country to let us try it.
I am convinced that it would be impossible with chimps.
Bonobos on the other hand, I'm not sure that you could make the call. I don't think it would be possible, but you're right, there is no way to know without testing. But most definitely any hybrid would be a "mule."

NOGO

I am not denying that. When that major event comes about, however, the person in question will need something to fall back onto.

As the saying goes ... you can take a horse to the fountain but you can't force him to drink.

I add ... but you can show him where it is.

NOGO

Your use (rather misuse) of the so called law of causality is flawed.

I will demonstrate this.

Suppose you have a chunk of clay.
With it you make a bust of Ludwig Van Beethoven and offer it to a friend.

One can say that you are the cause and Ludwig is the effect.

Your friend does not like this bust and destroys it.
Using the clay he then makes a tablet and writes a message on it which he gives to another friend.

One can say that friend1 is the cause and the destruction of Ludwig as well as the message on a clay tablet is the effect.

Friend number 2 reads the message and then remodels the clay into a vase.

One can say that friend2 is the cause and the vase is the effect.

Etc. etc. etc.

Now for your flawed logic.

You claim that

1) Many things have causes.

2) therefore everything must have a cause.

3) Therefore the clay must have a cause.

4) God is the cause.


The problem with this logic is obvious.

In all the cases above the clay was and the clay is. None of the cases above can every allow you to logically deduce that the clay must have a cause.

The fundamental material of the universe is not clay; it is energy.
Energy can be modified, transformed but it has never been observed to be created nor destroyed.

Therefore the so called law of causality cannot be used to infer anything about the basic material of the universe, ie energy.

Energy was and energy is.
In eveything that man has done or observed, energy was and energy is.

You cannot claim that since everything else has a cause then energy must have a cause as well. This is not logical.

Beethoven's bust is a form independent of the material used. It is the form which has a cause and not the basic material. All the cause-effect relationships ever observed are concerning forms and not the basic material.

This is the reason that your argument is flawed.

Ed

No, if those laws had been made by men then they would have allowed men to have sex with whomever they wanted. Also, they would have not allowed women to be created in the image of God, they would have said that God made them some kind of inferior being. In addition, in some cases women were allowed to inherit property, if what you say is true they would have never allowed that.

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Ed: They are plainly implied in the Ten Commandments and women are entitled to all the dignity and respect given one created in the image of the King of Universe. wj: Riiiight, that's why they weren't allowed to divorce rapists. Rape, in case you are unaware, Ed, is sex without consent.

They didn't marry rapists, see the verse about not mistreating captive women.

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wj: As for dignity and respect for one 'created in the image of the King...blah blah blah', that respect was obviously not extended to the Amakelites who were massacred.

The Amalakites didnt deserve that respect because of what they had done.

Ed

No, the key phrase in this verse is "they are found out", this plainly implies that it was consensual. If it was rape, then it would have said "he was found out". You have yet to demonstrate I am lying.

Ed

No, if it was rape she WOULD cry out, if it is consensual adultery then she would NOT cry out. And if it was rape then the rapist is executed.

Ed

Appeals to authority are only necessary when dealing with difficult teachings or passages that require expertise in hebrew and greek and ancient history. But geocentrism is so obviously NOT taught in the bible that no appeal to authority is necessary.