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NZAmoeba · 09-03-2003, 09:00 PM

Just a sudden thought...

It says god created man in his image.... but isn't god supposed to be a supernatural being without form? How can he have an 'image' when he can be whatever he wants?

love to hear a xtian point of veiw on this.

HumanisTim · 09-03-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by NZAmoeba
Just a sudden thought...

It says god created man in his image.... but isn't god supposed to be a supernatural being without form? How can he have an 'image' when he can be whatever he wants?

love to hear a xtian point of veiw on this.

Assuming he would have a human form then. Is he tall is he small is he skinny or fat is he black is he white is he asian etc etc etc.

Proctors_Gambit · 09-03-2003, 11:02 PM

Does he have flesh? Does he have blood?
Does he need that blood to carry oxygen to his brain?
If his blood stopped flowing would he die?

Thor Q. Mada · 09-03-2003, 11:07 PM

Not to mention that from an engineering point of view we are not exactly what one would call a perfect creation.
Virtually no redundancy. Mean time between faillure pretty bad. Repairs exopensive. Reliability questionable. Efficiency pretty low. Waste produced disgusting. Reproduction not very hygienic to say the least.

Image of God?? Pffff.

lpetrich · 09-04-2003, 02:37 AM

And why do we resemble apes so much? And the rest of the Earth's biota, to greater or lesser degree? If we are intended to be truly special, we wouldn't have such a curious resemblance.

And as to inelegant features, one of my favorite is dependence on a variety of biomolecules:

Essential fatty acids
Essential amino acids
Vitamins

Why can't we make all the stuff we need from simple organic molecules? So we will never have amino-acid deficiencies or vitamin deficiencies. And so we could live off of vodka spiked with various metal nitrates and sulfates.

Darth Dane · 09-04-2003, 02:40 AM

And why do we resemble apes so much? And the rest of the Earth's biota, to greater or lesser degree?

Could it be because all is One?

Could it be that everything is a point on a scale, subject to change and control?

DD - Love & Laughter

Heathen Dawn · 09-04-2003, 04:48 AM

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Could it be that everything is a point on a scale, subject to change and control?

That's the scientific answer (everything evolves). What's the Christian creationist answer? The only answer, and it sounds like a child's way of thinking, is that which I have read on Dr David Plaisted's website. Viz:

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from http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/apes.html

One can understand in evolutionary terms why there should be animals such as apes that are so close to humans. But why would God create a creature that is so close to a human, but not quite? To answer this, we have to reason from what we know or can infer about God's motives in the creation. This may lead us to considerations that seem far removed from those that are expected in this context. The original creation was intended to contribute to the happiness of man and animal. We can assume that in many cases the Lord created animals that would be a delight to man, and created man to be a blessing to the animals. Even today, both children and adults enjoy seeing gorillas and chimpanzees in zoos. It is reasonable to assume that these creatures were partly made for just this reason, to be a joy and entertainment to us. In a similar way, we can speculate in unorthodox terms that an animal such as the koala bear was created because of its cuddly appearance, which is a delight to children and many adults. Even if such creatures don't seem well adapted from our viewpoint, they serve their purposes very well.

Created for our enjoyment! And pretty red flowers for our enjoyment too. And the whole universe for us humans. And the sun around the earth, which is at the centre of the universe. Such is anthropocentric thinking.

Darth Dane · 09-04-2003, 05:15 AM

That's the scientific answer (everything evolves).

To me that is also the spiritual answer, that's how I discovered it.

What's the Christian creationist answer? The only answer, and it sounds like a child's way of thinking, is that which I have read on Dr David Plaisted's website. Viz:

I "believe" in "God" as well. Didn't Jesus say we should be like children?

Created for our enjoyment! And pretty red flowers for our enjoyment too. And the whole universe for us humans. And the sun around the earth, which is at the centre of the universe. Such is anthropocentric thinking.

Are you not the centre of your universe?
Since all humans is the center of their universe, we are all at the center of our universe.

The Kingdom of God is inside man Luke 17:21

God is the center of everything that Is.

DD - Love & Laughter

Heathen Dawn · 09-04-2003, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Are you not the centre of your universe?

No.

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Since all humans is the center of their universe, we are all at the center of our universe.

We humans are not the centre of the universe. We are just a twig on a branch on the Tree of Life, and we live in one planet among many, circling one star among many, which is an inconspicuous point in one galaxy, which is also one among many. Any talk of our centrality, biological or astronomical, is just the spirit of hubris that gave birth to the theistic religions in the first place.

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God is the center of everything that Is.

I don't believe in God.

Darth Dane · 09-04-2003, 06:07 AM

Are you the center of your own life? Do you see life cnetered through your own eyes?

I don't believe in God.

You asked what a theist would say, I answered.

The Is-ness is common to everything that exist.

God's name is 'I Am' or the Is-ness is the lowest denominator. God is inside everything that has Is-ness or exist.

Edit: Gospel of Thomas, (77) Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there.

DD - Love & Laughter

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Proctors_Gambit Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Does he have flesh? Does he have blood? Does he need that blood to carry oxygen to his brain? If his blood stopped flowing would he die?

09-03-2003, 11:07 PM	#4
Thor Q. Mada Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Asia Posts: 3,558	Not to mention that from an engineering point of view we are not exactly what one would call a perfect creation. Virtually no redundancy. Mean time between faillure pretty bad. Repairs exopensive. Reliability questionable. Efficiency pretty low. Waste produced disgusting. Reproduction not very hygienic to say the least. Image of God?? Pffff.

09-04-2003, 02:37 AM	#5
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	And why do we resemble apes so much? And the rest of the Earth's biota, to greater or lesser degree? If we are intended to be truly special, we wouldn't have such a curious resemblance. And as to inelegant features, one of my favorite is dependence on a variety of biomolecules: Essential fatty acids Essential amino acids Vitamins Why can't we make all the stuff we need from simple organic molecules? So we will never have amino-acid deficiencies or vitamin deficiencies. And so we could live off of vodka spiked with various metal nitrates and sulfates.

09-04-2003, 02:40 AM	#6
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	And why do we resemble apes so much? And the rest of the Earth's biota, to greater or lesser degree? Could it be because all is One? Could it be that everything is a point on a scale, subject to change and control? DD - Love & Laughter

09-04-2003, 05:15 AM	#8
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	That's the scientific answer (everything evolves). To me that is also the spiritual answer, that's how I discovered it. What's the Christian creationist answer? The only answer, and it sounds like a child's way of thinking, is that which I have read on Dr David Plaisted's website. Viz: I "believe" in "God" as well. Didn't Jesus say we should be like children? Created for our enjoyment! And pretty red flowers for our enjoyment too. And the whole universe for us humans. And the sun around the earth, which is at the centre of the universe. Such is anthropocentric thinking. Are you not the centre of your universe? Since all humans is the center of their universe, we are all at the center of our universe. The Kingdom of God is inside man Luke 17:21 God is the center of everything that Is. DD - Love & Laughter

09-04-2003, 06:07 AM	#10
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Are you the center of your own life? Do you see life cnetered through your own eyes? I don't believe in God. You asked what a theist would say, I answered. The Is-ness is common to everything that exist. God's name is 'I Am' or the Is-ness is the lowest denominator. God is inside everything that has Is-ness or exist. Edit: Gospel of Thomas, (77) Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there. DD - Love & Laughter

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