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Lobstrosity · 07-09-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Cojana
I'll make my point once more, Hands are the perfect tools

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Doubting Didymus · 07-09-2003, 08:46 PM

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Hands are the perfect tools,because they can mold,manufacture,and produce any thing the mind can concieve

No, they bloody well can't. Hands are neccesary for us to eventually get around to manufacturing anything. That doesn't make them perfect. There are tools that can do a hundred things that hands can't, so how can hands possibly be perfect?

Secular Pinoy · 07-09-2003, 09:16 PM

Cojana,

Just because hands create the tools doesn't mean you can equate the uses and abilities of that tool as the direct product of the capabilities of the hand. That makes as much sense as gene reductionism.

Wounded King · 07-10-2003, 01:44 AM

Cojana, if what thebeave said was what you've been saying all along then why did you immediately contradict him and , once again, state that hands are 'the perfect tool', when he had just said that they were not 'the perfect tool'. Several people had already agreed that the human hand has facilitated our use of technology, but that doesn't make it perfect.

Also at the moment there are many things the mind can concieve that may not be producable. The mind can conceive of Dyson spheres, black holes, suns, planets, galaxies and wormholes but none of these has been produced by human hands, no matter how indirectly. I could of course be wrong about this if it turns out that people from the future created the universe or that an ancient universal humanoid civilisation constructed the galaxy, but you get my point I'm sure.

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Jesse · 07-10-2003, 08:09 AM

Everyone, please try to stick to attacks on your opponent's argument and not on the person making the argument, mmkay?

Wounded King · 07-10-2003, 08:28 AM

Sorry, mea culpa.

Could you perhaps give us your definition of perfect Cojana, since it obviously differs substantially from the more commonly accepted one that Amaranth posted.

Cojana · 07-10-2003, 08:48 AM

our existence are perfect,because of its imperfections,life and death work in harmony for the continuim of humanity, life without death would be intolerable, we don't have the intelligence to live without death, I suppose my remarks are incoherent, just apply a little thought to what I say, it'll come to you, as for Hands being 'perfect', its because hands are the props of the mind, Hands can design any mold to manufacture and produce to specification anything, and I use 'anything' in the superlative, I resent the redicule applied by members of me, any argument against my premise to hands are invalid,you know this to be a fact,and so does everyone else, my intellect are amiss, but there are two arguments I won't concede, Hands, and Eternity are all 'Center',..these two subjects are indisputable, all tools are concieved by the mind and made by Hands, eternity are all center because no matter where you measure from ,its forever every which way,...my argument are perfect,..

Amaranth · 07-10-2003, 01:50 PM

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our existence are perfect,because of its imperfections

Perfect and imperfect are mutually exclusive. You basically just said "the towel are dry, because of it is wet."

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I suppose my remarks are incoherent

Your incoherent arguments are not nearly as bad as the coherent ones. Trust me.

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Hands can design any mold to manufacture and produce to specification anything

No, they can't. Sorry. You will never make a steel mold for copper wire with your hands. Ever. You cannot. End of story. Please, please grasp this simple concept: Steel > Fingernails.

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and I use 'anything' in the superlative

Yes - What you really meant by anything was "very little", right?

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I resent the redicule applied by members of me

If you didn't want to get dirty, why did you start throwing mud?

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any argument against my premise to hands are invalid

Invalid how? The "defense" you have put up has been repeating your assertion over and over again. I can't decide if that's sad, or hilarious.

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you know this to be a fact,and so does everyone else, my intellect are amiss

Agreed.

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Hands, and Eternity are all 'Center'

Usually when I call something nonsense, it's because I think it's a lackluster argument. In this case, I mean it literally - This is nonsense.

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all tools are concieved by the mind and made by Hands,

Argumentum ad...ad...How the heck do you say "Broken Record" in Latin?

Secular Pinoy · 07-10-2003, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Amaranth
Argumentum ad...ad...How the heck do you say "Broken Record" in Latin?

That would be Argumentum ad nauseam:

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This is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true, or is more likely to be accepted as true, the more often it is heard. So an Argumentum ad Nauseam is one that employs constant repetition in asserting something; saying the same thing over and over again until you're sick of hearing it.

Cojana · 07-11-2003, 03:49 PM

I can say the same remarks about you as you of me, you get tired of seeing the same argument displayed the same way, I don't see your contradictions to veer off either, you can't frame a valid argument in opposition, so ytou play with my ignorance, you think thats fair? you diliberately confuse my conceptual premise regarding my meaning when I say hands can mold, I should say, hands can mold, a mold to mold a mold,to make and produce manufactured specifications, right,?

07-10-2003, 08:48 AM	#37
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	really.!! our existence are perfect,because of its imperfections,life and death work in harmony for the continuim of humanity, life without death would be intolerable, we don't have the intelligence to live without death, I suppose my remarks are incoherent, just apply a little thought to what I say, it'll come to you, as for Hands being 'perfect', its because hands are the props of the mind, Hands can design any mold to manufacture and produce to specification anything, and I use 'anything' in the superlative, I resent the redicule applied by members of me, any argument against my premise to hands are invalid,you know this to be a fact,and so does everyone else, my intellect are amiss, but there are two arguments I won't concede, Hands, and Eternity are all 'Center',..these two subjects are indisputable, all tools are concieved by the mind and made by Hands, eternity are all center because no matter where you measure from ,its forever every which way,...my argument are perfect,..

07-11-2003, 03:49 PM	#40
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	intellectuals cop-outs I can say the same remarks about you as you of me, you get tired of seeing the same argument displayed the same way, I don't see your contradictions to veer off either, you can't frame a valid argument in opposition, so ytou play with my ignorance, you think thats fair? you diliberately confuse my conceptual premise regarding my meaning when I say hands can mold, I should say, hands can mold, a mold to mold a mold,to make and produce manufactured specifications, right,?

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07-09-2003, 09:16 PM	#33
Secular Pinoy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 1,994	Cojana, Just because hands create the tools doesn't mean you can equate the uses and abilities of that tool as the direct product of the capabilities of the hand. That makes as much sense as gene reductionism.

07-10-2003, 01:44 AM	#34
Wounded King Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,211	Cojana, if what thebeave said was what you've been saying all along then why did you immediately contradict him and , once again, state that hands are 'the perfect tool', when he had just said that they were not 'the perfect tool'. Several people had already agreed that the human hand has facilitated our use of technology, but that doesn't make it perfect. Also at the moment there are many things the mind can concieve that may not be producable. The mind can conceive of Dyson spheres, black holes, suns, planets, galaxies and wormholes but none of these has been produced by human hands, no matter how indirectly. I could of course be wrong about this if it turns out that people from the future created the universe or that an ancient universal humanoid civilisation constructed the galaxy, but you get my point I'm sure. [deleted insult]

07-10-2003, 08:09 AM	#35
Jesse Moderator - Science Discussions Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Providence, RI, USA Posts: 9,908	Everyone, please try to stick to attacks on your opponent's argument and not on the person making the argument, mmkay?

07-10-2003, 08:28 AM	#36
Wounded King Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,211	Sorry, mea culpa. Could you perhaps give us your definition of perfect Cojana, since it obviously differs substantially from the more commonly accepted one that Amaranth posted.

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