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jmborr · 02-19-2003, 03:46 PM

I cry in agony every time I think that people may look at G. W. Bush as a model christian. He may be a "decent man" as
Wall Harrington
declares in his personal experience with Bush, but being a "decent man" does not measure up to being a committed christian for the particular position he happens to live.

He supports the capital punishment, happily pollutes the air, Alaska, The Antarctic and seemingly whatever else may still be clean, he goes to war, cuts down social aids and increase the military budget. I surely forget other niceties.
I don't get it

So, is there anybody out there that supports G. W. Bush and that also thinks is a "good" christian ? Can he/she explain this to me, please ?

NeoDeltaI · 02-19-2003, 03:53 PM

A "Good" Christian is an oxymoron, in my opinion, but to be fair, there is no "good" or "evil", just people. I would say, however, that Bush isn't a good president, meaning he doesn't have the skills needed to be a desicion maker.

Marduk · 02-19-2003, 03:55 PM

"He supports the capital punishment, happily pollutes the air, Alaska, The Antarctic and seemingly whatever else may still be clean, he goes to war, cuts down social aids and increase the military budget"

The Bible supports capital punishment, claims "man has dominion over the whole Earth" and promotes war against those of non-Judaic origin (see Exodus & Numbers, they love this stuff) it also says homosexuals are bad and should be killed, so much for aids research, increaseing the military budget to kill non-Christians is good!
I am being a little sarcastic, I support none of this but not because of any religion. BTW many Christians use the Bible in the way I have shown.

Anti-Creedance Front · 02-19-2003, 04:29 PM

From a Christian standpoint (even though I'm not a Christian) he is destroying God's earth, destroying peace, and ignoring the poor. That rules him out as any kind of angel right there.

CALDONIA · 02-19-2003, 05:37 PM

The thread asks of what kind of Christian is our President, but does not ask if his devotion or lack of it serves his religion or the nation of which he is supposed to lead.

One cannot know from afar his personal religious beliefs. To judge his faith by his actions makes one quite dependent on ones idea of the mission of a Christian believer.

However, seeing our elected (?) President is supposed to represent a varied nation in terms of religious beliefs (and non-belief), I feel that in his public pronouncments he should not proclaim any Christian beliefs at all! Freedom, equal rights, etc., are NOT from the Christian Bible (let's not even get into the Old Testament) but from humanity finding its best means of accomodation. The biggest cynics are those who deny this.

theyeti · 02-19-2003, 05:51 PM

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Now, what kind of Christian is G. W. Bush ?

The one term kind.

Darwin26 · 02-19-2003, 07:49 PM

i do sense a downfall in the air... No No i'm not Clairevoyant ....i can't help but think that somewhere along the line a clever christian, true believing jackass will reach his/her level of hubris ...brittle, crumbling, marcesing... Then gawd forbid all those books about a fallen luzer hung on a cross.
The problem for us is Time and those fricken apostles buffing da cowboy savior .... Butt whatever, i feel a Waterloo comin on !

Loren Pechtel · 02-19-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Darwin26
i do sense a downfall in the air... No No i'm not Clairevoyant ....i can't help but think that somewhere along the line a clever christian, true believing jackass will reach his/her level of hubris ...brittle, crumbling, marcesing... Then gawd forbid all those books about a fallen luzer hung on a cross.
The problem for us is Time and those fricken apostles buffing da cowboy savior .... Butt whatever, i feel a Waterloo comin on !

Orange on grey--*YUCK*!

Zar · 02-20-2003, 12:58 AM

What kind of Christian is he? A fairly typical one.

Morgan · 02-20-2003, 04:36 AM

He may well believe that he is a Christian in his own mind, but his actions show no indication that he follows the basic Christian concepts of "Turn the other cheek" and "Love thy neighbour as you love thyself".

This journalist may believe that Bush is a good man. Or he may, as the deeply cynical part of me leans towards, just want to get into the favour of George Bush.

02-19-2003, 03:46 PM	#1
jmborr Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: everett MA USA Posts: 46	Now, what kind of Christian is G. W. Bush ? I cry in agony every time I think that people may look at G. W. Bush as a model christian. He may be a "decent man" as Wall Harrington declares in his personal experience with Bush, but being a "decent man" does not measure up to being a committed christian for the particular position he happens to live. He supports the capital punishment, happily pollutes the air, Alaska, The Antarctic and seemingly whatever else may still be clean, he goes to war, cuts down social aids and increase the military budget. I surely forget other niceties. I don't get it So, is there anybody out there that supports G. W. Bush and that also thinks is a "good" christian ? Can he/she explain this to me, please ?

02-19-2003, 07:49 PM	#7
Darwin26 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Encino, CA Posts: 806	what kind is he .....:) i do sense a downfall in the air... No No i'm not Clairevoyant ....i can't help but think that somewhere along the line a clever christian, true believing jackass will reach his/her level of hubris ...brittle, crumbling, marcesing... Then gawd forbid all those books about a fallen luzer hung on a cross. The problem for us is Time and those fricken apostles buffing da cowboy savior .... Butt whatever, i feel a Waterloo comin on !

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02-19-2003, 03:53 PM	#2
NeoDeltaI Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MA, USA Posts: 189	A "Good" Christian is an oxymoron, in my opinion, but to be fair, there is no "good" or "evil", just people. I would say, however, that Bush isn't a good president, meaning he doesn't have the skills needed to be a desicion maker.

02-19-2003, 03:55 PM	#3
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	"He supports the capital punishment, happily pollutes the air, Alaska, The Antarctic and seemingly whatever else may still be clean, he goes to war, cuts down social aids and increase the military budget" The Bible supports capital punishment, claims "man has dominion over the whole Earth" and promotes war against those of non-Judaic origin (see Exodus & Numbers, they love this stuff) it also says homosexuals are bad and should be killed, so much for aids research, increaseing the military budget to kill non-Christians is good! I am being a little sarcastic, I support none of this but not because of any religion. BTW many Christians use the Bible in the way I have shown.

02-19-2003, 04:29 PM	#4
Anti-Creedance Front Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 452	From a Christian standpoint (even though I'm not a Christian) he is destroying God's earth, destroying peace, and ignoring the poor. That rules him out as any kind of angel right there.

02-19-2003, 05:37 PM	#5
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	The thread asks of what kind of Christian is our President, but does not ask if his devotion or lack of it serves his religion or the nation of which he is supposed to lead. One cannot know from afar his personal religious beliefs. To judge his faith by his actions makes one quite dependent on ones idea of the mission of a Christian believer. However, seeing our elected (?) President is supposed to represent a varied nation in terms of religious beliefs (and non-belief), I feel that in his public pronouncments he should not proclaim any Christian beliefs at all! Freedom, equal rights, etc., are NOT from the Christian Bible (let's not even get into the Old Testament) but from humanity finding its best means of accomodation. The biggest cynics are those who deny this.

02-20-2003, 12:58 AM	#9
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	What kind of Christian is he? A fairly typical one.

02-20-2003, 04:36 AM	#10
Morgan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 89	He may well believe that he is a Christian in his own mind, but his actions show no indication that he follows the basic Christian concepts of "Turn the other cheek" and "Love thy neighbour as you love thyself". This journalist may believe that Bush is a good man. Or he may, as the deeply cynical part of me leans towards, just want to get into the favour of George Bush.

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