pangloss

Easy to say when it is not your reputation being smeared. "Some internet discussion board" on which I will not be alowed to correct my accusers, wherein my name was used, wherein I was not only called a liar, but it was insinuated that I would lie about the entire incident. That smear, even though they have removed it from the board, will still be available to the crafty net searcher. Something like that might not bother you. But it bothered me.

RufusAtticus

Ahh, the plot thickens. This appeared in that thread today.

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The accusation, since deleted, was previously made on this thread by Dr. Scott Page that “ [Dr. Michael] Behe has done ZERO research on the areas he claims to have
evidence for design in.” This was challenged by the Administrator and termed slander. Page has demanded a retraction of that statement.

A partial retraction can be made regarding what Page probably meant to say. Dr. Behe has written a book, Darwin’s Black Box in which he describes biological functions he considers irreducibly complex. Regarding research for this book on irreducible complexity, Dr. Behe was kind enough to respond to our email request for clarification on this issue as follows:


If Page meant Dr. Behe’s lack of personal research for his book and on the subject of irreducible complexity, then Page’s statement was correct.

However, that is not what Page said. He stated that Behe had done no research in areas he claims to have evidence for DESIGN in. This is a different matter. Behe’s research is in part what led him to be involved in the Intelligent Design movement, as documented in the video “Unlocking the Mystery of Life” produced by Illustra Media, 2002, in which Behe is interviewed.

Thus, the way Page’s statement reads, he is wrong. However in considering what he probably meant regarding the evidence used in the book for irreducible complexity, he is right.
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Pangloss,

Has BB even appologized for acting as rashly as they did? Or are they going to do the typical Baptists-are-never-wrong thing?

~~RvFvS~~

pangloss

Of course not. As I pointed out above, what I wrote was in direct response to what Joe Gallien (John Paul) had quoted regarding cilia and intracellular transport.

Looks like the usual inability of the christian creationist to admit error.

Of course, what I demanded a retraction of was their claim that I had lied. They can't seem to admit such a thing. Sin and all that...

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Brian63

pangloss,

I was not in any way directing my criticisms against you; it was against the BaptistBoard administration. My understanding was that they accused you of libel because you made (what they believed to be )a disparaging comment (that they believed was false) about Behe. If my understanding of the situtation was wrong, I do apologize.

Brian

pangloss

Understood - sometimes it is hard to keep things straight.

I believe that they committed libel against me by claiming that I had lied about Behe (and made slanderous remarks about him) and that I would probably lie about the situation elsewhere.

Neither of which is true, as I have presented, for example, here verbatim statements by the admin themselves. I do not need to lie about the situation.

Now don't get me wrong - I can get as nasty as the worst of them, so name-calling doesn't bother me at all (though I will certainly point it out whenever the opposition whines about rudeness and such), but I do take offense to being called a liar and having any possibility of my side of the story being told removed.

pangloss

After much explanation, the BB admin FINALLY admites they lied about me:

"We also apologize to Dr. Page for references to dishonesty on his part.

Darwin's Finch

I'm glad they came clean, but it sure took them long enough.

hezekiah jones

Yes.

Also since Behe is a "public figure" accusations of libel would be considerably more difficult to prove, to say the least. In fact "public figures" are by definition exempt from libel actions by virtue of the fact they assume certain risks when they enter public life.

The creationists are blowing smoke, as usual, because that's what they excel at.

RufusAtticus

Well there goes a gaggle of monkeys out of my ass.

Camaban

*jaw drops*