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Old 11-06-2006, 12:57 AM   #41
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You said some Bible absurdities and other impossibilities might be chaulked up to narrative fiction meant to tell a story and make a point.
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The resurrection tales certainly qualify as absurd and scientifically impossible.
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Thus, can they be taken as narrative fiction, or not?
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Your post consists of (1) a misstatement (2) a statement of an axiom that isn't one and (3) an inference from the first two which does not in fact follow.

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This is called - avoiding giving a straight answer - plain & simple!
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Old 11-06-2006, 03:30 AM   #43
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Thanks for the clarification and link. The impossibility of Jesus' bodily resurrection always was an insurmountable sticking point for me. Brain death reversal simply isn't possible.

However, I still could not be a Christian due to my disbelief in an eternal essence, or soul. Certainly, all variants of Christianity must believe in a soul, right? Or are there soul-less variants, as well?
I'm not sure...That's a good question.
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On the resurrection stories being "narrative fiction" or allegories or spiritual events or whatever, that hypothesis would get around Dan Barker's Easter Challenge very nicely.

In fact, I'm surprised that more Xian apologists are not calling JC's resurrection allegorical; why do they weight themselves down with literalism there?
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One question demanding a simple answer: Could the resurrection stories (Lazarus and Jesus) be "narrative fiction" or allegories? They ARE scientifically impossible, as far as our current understanding of science takes us. Brain death is irreversible; it's right in the definition of the term.
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Message to Roger Pearse: Are you an inerrantist or not? Do you believe that there was a global flood, that a donkey talked, that there were 10 plagues in Egypt, and most of all, that God is not willing that any should perish, reference 2 Peter 3:9? I assume that you will refuse to answer my questions.

You naively assume that if you can reasonably prove that Jesus rose from the dead, you have achieved a lot, when in fact if you have accomplished that you have achieved little. Assuming that the God of the Bible exists, THE fundamental issue is his character. I would sure like to see you defend God's character. Apologists are typically quite inept at debating philosophical issues. It is quite absurd for any Christian to get a degree in philosophy. Dr. Norman Geisler is proof enough of that.
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On the resurrection stories being "narrative fiction" or allegories or spiritual events or whatever, that hypothesis would get around Dan Barker's Easter Challenge very nicely.

In fact, I'm surprised that more Xian apologists are not calling JC's resurrection allegorical; why do they weight themselves down with literalism there?
To be fair I think it's as much a cultural thing as a religious thing. In general we have a big problem with myth and often equate fiction with lies. Look at much of the discussion here around the bible. It's often not about what the myths of the bible are about, what they communicated to the ancient hebrews or to us, it's about whether they're actual historical events. If they're not historical, they're often deemed irrelevant. Same story on many christian boards.

Heck, I used to work in a bookstore where some customers would demand only non-fiction reccomendations because they wanted to read only about 'true" things.

I think calling the ressurection a myth is a positive thing. But it demands people who can read myth and appreciate what fiction can tell us.
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