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Old 09-26-2009, 06:25 AM   #11
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This verse is simply talking about the future generations of Israel. It's doesn't mean "stone a little kid to death"

He alludes to Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 13:16 promising good success to Cyrus and Darius, whom ambition moved to fight against Babylon, but God used them as his rods to punish his enemies.
No, this verse is referring to genocide. The context is quite clear: there will be genocide in Babylon, down to the little children, and it will be a good and wonderful thing when they are slaughtered. Your Bible loves genocide, this is just the single verse that is most explicit about it.

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Yes, Witches were evil.
Throughout Europe's history (and in the early years of America) this verse was used as a pretext to kill innocent women - regardless of whether or not they were "witches." It is a morally repulsive thing and the fact that you say that "yes, witches were evil" makes you a horrible person. If you can know a tree by its fruit, the fruit of your Bible is rotten and disgusting and should be burned, by its own standard.
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No, this verse is referring to genocide. The context is quite clear: there will be genocide in Babylon, down to the little children, and it will be a good and wonderful thing when they are slaughtered. Your Bible loves genocide, this is just the single verse that is most explicit about it.
This verse is a metaphor about the future tribes of Israel. It does not mean to go out and kill children.

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Throughout Europe's history (and in the early years of America) this verse was used as a pretext to kill innocent women - regardless of whether or not they were "witches." It is a morally repulsive thing and the fact that you say that "yes, witches were evil" makes you a horrible person. If you can know a tree by its fruit, the fruit of your Bible is rotten and disgusting and should be burned, by its own standard.
The Bible had zero tolerance towards Witches. They would cast spells on people, and made their own children walk through fire. These witches were considered demonic, and they had to be punished. And I agree with the bible on this one. Witches and anyone who dwells in evil and darkness should be punished by YHWH.
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This verse is a metaphor about the future tribes of Israel. It does not mean to go out and kill children.
READ THE PSALM. You are making random shit up. This is a praise of the (future) genocide of the Babylonians, which is described as richly deserved in the psalm. It has nothing to do with the future tribes of Israel at all.

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The Bible had zero tolerance towards Witches. They would cast spells on people, and made their own children walk through fire. These witches were considered demonic, and they had to be punished. And I agree with the bible on this one. Witches and anyone who dwells in evil and darkness should be punished by YHWH.
Your Bible is a book of filth, hatred and bigotry. This verse has been used as a pretext to murder thousands of innocent women and you accept it and agree with it. That doesn't bother you in the least?
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READ THE PSALM. You are making random shit up. This is a praise of the (future) genocide of the Babylonians, which is described as richly deserved in the psalm. It has nothing to do with the future tribes of Israel at all.
I have read PSALM, and my conclusion is, Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock: the infants represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.

Can you supply the verse(s) where the Jews smashed little kids against the rocks as told in Psalm 137:9?

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Your Bible is a book of filth, hatred and bigotry. This verse has been used as a pretext to murder thousands of innocent women and you accept it and agree with it. That doesn't bother you in the least?
My Bible does not tolerate witchcraft. Witchcraft was a sign of demonic possession. That is against the law of YHWH. And witches were dealt with by the hand of YHWH.
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Throughout Europe's history (and in the early years of America) this verse was used as a pretext to kill innocent women - regardless of whether or not they were "witches." It is a morally repulsive thing and the fact that you say that "yes, witches were evil" makes you a horrible person. If you can know a tree by its fruit, the fruit of your Bible is rotten and disgusting and should be burned, by its own standard.
The Bible had zero tolerance towards Witches. They would cast spells on people, and made their own children walk through fire. These witches were considered demonic, and they had to be punished. And I agree with the bible on this one. Witches and anyone who dwells in evil and darkness should be punished by YHWH.
That may be a mistranslation in of the word "poisoner." Josephus also wrote against the prohibition against "poisoners" in Antiquities(iv).

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Let no one of the Israelites keep any poison (29) that may cause death, or any other harm; but if he be caught with it, let him be put to death, and suffer the very same mischief that he would have brought upon them for whom the poison was prepared.
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Is it some verse in Psalm 137vers 8 and 9

They sing of joy because God allows them to smash the bodies of their enemies against the rocks until the children dies? That is how I remember it so best I look it up.

I guess every Bible have their own translation of it. I translated from memory of the Swedish version.

Most likely someone have already mention it?

King James has this version

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed;
happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and
dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


But that is a Psalm.

Theologically the one on Eternal Hell for those who don't accept Jesus is a typical one.

And then the one in OT when God tell them to kill every man and old woman and to make the young girls their wifes and have children with them.

So typical for that god. Kill and assimilate. Even what they did in Scandinavia to conquer our Pagans. They first burned their houses if they didn't convert and then they killed them if they where stubborn believers in Thor.

Now they say we are Christophobic if we are critical to their private religious schools tearing out the pages on Evolution from the School books.
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I have read PSALM, and my conclusion is, Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock: the infants represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.

Can you supply the verse(s) where the Jews smashed little kids against the rocks as told in Psalm 137:9?
The psalm is about the Babylonian captivity, and it is dreaming of the time when the Babylonians will be slaughtered down to the infant children. It says nothing about Jewish children and is quite clearly talking of Babylon. That it didn't happen is immaterial from an atheist perspective; it's an illustration of the Hebrew Bible's disgusting and immoral outlook on genocide. (From a theistic perspective, it's somewhat problematic in that it never happened.)

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My Bible does not tolerate witchcraft. Witchcraft was a sign of demonic possession. That is against the law of YHWH. And witches were dealt with by the hand of YHWH.
This is morally repugnant, given that the Bible verse was used in the murder of innocents. I think you should broadcast this loud and clear; most Christians shy away from embracing the murderous history of their religion with regard to the false claims of witchcraft that have been used over the years. Apparently your moral depravity in favor of your god is total.
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Is it some verse in Psalm 137vers 8 and 9

They sing of joy because God allows them to smash the bodies of their enemies against the rocks until the children dies? That is how I remember it so best I look it up.

I guess every Bible have their own translation of it. I translated from memory of the Swedish version.

Most likely someone have already mention it?

King James has this version

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed;
happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and
dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


But that is a Psalm.

Theologically the one on Eternal Hell for those who don't accept Jesus is a typical one.

And then the one in OT when God tell them to kill every man and old woman and to make the young girls their wifes and have children with them.

So typical for that god. Kill and assimilate. Even what they did in Scandinavia to conquer our Pagans. They first burned their houses if they didn't convert and then they killed them if they where stubborn believers in Thor.

Now they say we are Christophobic if we are critical to their private religious schools tearing out the pages on Evolution from the School books.
Who was the Daughter of Babylon? Do you believe this verse is refering to (one) person?

Isaiah 47:1 "Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon; Sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no longer be called tender and delicate.
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I have read PSALM, and my conclusion is, Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock: the infants represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.

Can you supply the verse(s) where the Jews smashed little kids against the rocks as told in Psalm 137:9?
The psalm is about the Babylonian captivity, and it is dreaming of the time when the Babylonians will be slaughtered down to the infant children. It says nothing about Jewish children and is quite clearly talking of Babylon. That it didn't happen is immaterial from an atheist perspective; it's an illustration of the Hebrew Bible's disgusting and immoral outlook on genocide. (From a theistic perspective, it's somewhat problematic in that it never happened.)

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My Bible does not tolerate witchcraft. Witchcraft was a sign of demonic possession. That is against the law of YHWH. And witches were dealt with by the hand of YHWH.
This is morally repugnant, given that the Bible verse was used in the murder of innocents. I think you should broadcast this loud and clear; most Christians shy away from embracing the murderous history of their religion with regard to the false claims of witchcraft that have been used over the years. Apparently your moral depravity in favor of your god is total.
According to your last post, you said PSALM 137:9 reveals that we must dash our little ones against the rocks. Can you supply the verses where it shows little ones being dashed against the rocks?
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According to your last post, you said PSALM 137:9 reveals that we must dash our little ones against the rocks. Can you supply the verses where it shows little ones being dashed against the rocks?
I never said that. Reread my posts - I said it reveals your morally bankrupt Bible's attitude toward genocide. Most of the actual descriptions of genocide are in Joshua, Judges, 1 Samuel and Chronicles. It's simply the most horrifying and (as the OP requested) psychotic panegyric to genocide in the Bible. I find that quite repugnant, as I think anyone with an ounce of human decency should.
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