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ZeusTKP · 04-14-2006, 12:03 AM

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Hitler used that label to refer to racially mixed Slavic speaking peoples. Slavic-speaking people like the Cossacks actually served in the Waffen-SS: http://www.snyderstreasures.com/pages/ssfv.htm

Who are the racially mixed slavic speaking people? I'm a slav. I'm dying to know if I'm the inferior variety or not.

Freyja · 04-14-2006, 12:10 AM

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Who are the racially mixed slavic speaking people? I'm a slav. I'm dying to know if I'm the inferior variety or not.

Ones who were a result of mixture with various Asiatic peoples from the steppes of central Asia (as in the incidence of impurity probably increased with longitude). People like the Cossacks, because they were skilled fighters and were very proud and cohesive (and probably because of their appearance to), were not considered to be mixed.

Porky Pine · 04-14-2006, 04:30 AM

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Yes, Jews do have a high mean verbal intelligence.

All of them?

fromdownunder · 04-14-2006, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Freyja

Ones who were a result of mixture with various Asiatic peoples from the steppes of central Asia (as in the incidence of impurity probably increased with longitude). People like the Cossacks, because they were skilled fighters and were very proud and cohesive (and probably because of their appearance to), were not considered to be mixed.

Since all humans are from a single race what the fuck (it is allowable to say fuck on these forums is it not?) does "mixed" mean?

Norm

Freyja · 04-14-2006, 04:56 AM

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All of them?

A group has one mean.

Freyja · 04-14-2006, 04:57 AM

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Since all humans are from a single race what the fuck (it is allowable to say fuck on these forums is it not?) does "mixed" mean?

Norm

The notion that all humans form one race is complete Leftist bullshit, just like Marxism and a bunch of other examples.

FatherMithras · 04-14-2006, 08:02 AM

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Translation: Anyone who lacks either the courage, the motivation, or the intellectual capacity (or a combination thereof) to question what they were spoon fed by their tv sets, teachers, their churches (*cough*), and society in general, couldn't possibly think otherwise.

Of course I've challenged it. I just refuse to blindly accept nazi sympathizers who can't get in the mainstream because there evidence is worse then creationists.

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Or so say the victors, who as we know, never once in the history of humanity have had a hand in writing history or suppressing anything that the other side had to say about any particular issue.

You seem to advocate loving the victors and trusting them as better and more honest. At least according to your other threads about the racial superiority of white people for "winning."

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Because being, like, so cool and so popular isn't important to objective, courageous people with backbones.

Simply ridiculous. "Anyone who disagrees with sources that can't quote numbers and cherry pick data are cowards". These are the kind of thinking patterns that make creationism stick around. "The evil minority don't want the truth and have a worldwide conspiracy and only WHITE POWER CAN BRING IT BACK!"

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German nuclear research was proceeding at a nice clip, and was derailed by British commandos, who destroyed a heavy water research facility in northern Norway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegi...water_sabotage

Derpty derp who worked on their science and got it there before the jews started being persecuted? Why did we complete the A bomb first? We poached the brains from Germany and thus beat them?

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Of course, to the Leftist's mind, Schmeling's victory against Louis does not count, but Louis' victory against Schmeling does count.

Or he only knew about the one instance.

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The notion that all humans form one race is complete Leftist bullshit, just like Marxism and a bunch of other examples.

IThe classic idea of race has been totally demolished with the idea that race is merely a "fuzzy" group of individuals with vaguely similar yet varying characteristics. There is no "clear distinction". The races all blur into another race at some level and show that the distinction is meaningless. To maintain that "purity" exists racially is to ignore the fact that ALL RACES come from the same origin and thus by definition will bleed into another groups traits. But oh wait, you cherry pick. www.answersingenesis.com salutes you.

FatherMithras · 04-14-2006, 08:09 AM

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The validity of human races is a subject of much debate. The American Anthropological Association, drawing on biological research, states that "The concept of race is a social and cultural construction. . . . Race simply cannot be tested or proven scientifically," and that, "It is clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. The concept of 'race' has no validity . . . in the human species."

Sums it up better than I could. And unlike you or me, they're qualified to do so.

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Templeton (1998) "A subspecies (race) is a distinct evolutionary lineage within a species. This definition requires that a subspecies be genetically differentiated due to barriers to genetic exchange that have persisted for long periods of time; that is, the subspecies must have historical continuity in addition to current genetic differentiation."

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The distribution of many physical traits resembles the distribution of genetic variation within and between human populations (American Association of Physical Anthropologists 1996; Keita and Kittles 1997). For example, ∼90% of the variation in human head shapes occurs within every human group, and ∼10% separates groups, with a greater variability of head shape among individuals with recent African ancestors (Relethford 2002).

A prominent exception to the common distribution of physical characteristics within and among groups is skin color. Approximately 10% of the variance in skin color occurs within groups, and ~90% occurs between groups (Relethford 2002). This distribution of skin color and its geographic patterning—with people whose ancestors lived predominantly near the equator having darker skin than those with ancestors who lived predominantly in higher latitudes—indicate that this attribute has been under strong selective pressure. Darker skin appears to be strongly selected for in equatorial regions to prevent sunburn, skin cancer, the photolysis of folate, and damage to sweat glands (Sturm et al. 2001; Rees 2003). A leading hypothesis for the selection of lighter skin in higher latitudes is that it enables the body to form greater amounts of vitamin D, which helps prevent rickets (Jablonski 2004). Evidence for this includes the finding that a substantial portion of the differences of skin color between Europeans and Africans resides in a single gene, SLC24A5 the threonine-111 allele of which was found in 98.7 to 100% among several European samples, while the alanine-111 form was found in 93 to 100% of samples of Africans, East Asians and Indigenous Americans (Lamason et al. 2005). However, the vitamin D hypothesis is not universally accepted (Aoki 2002), and lighter skin in high latitudes may correspond simply to an absence of selection for dark skin (Harding et al. 2000). Melanin which serves as the pigment, is located in the epidermis of the skin, and is based on hereditary gene expression.

Because skin color has been under strong selective pressure, similar skin colors can result from convergent adaptation rather than from genetic relatedness. Sub-Saharan Africans, tribal populations from southern India, and Indigenous Australians have similar skin pigmentation, but genetically they are no more similar than are other widely separated groups. Furthermore, in some parts of the world in which people from different regions have mixed extensively, the connection between skin color and ancestry has been substantially weakened (Parra et al. 2004). In Brazil, for example, skin color is not closely associated with the percentage of recent African ancestors a person has, as estimated from an analysis of genetic variants differing in frequency among continent groups (Parra et al. 2003).

Considerable speculation has surrounded the possible adaptive value of other physical features characteristic of groups, such as the constellation of facial features observed in many eastern and northeastern Asians (Guthrie 1996). However, any given physical characteristic generally is found in multiple groups (Lahr 1996), and demonstrating that environmental selective pressures shaped specific physical features will be difficult, since such features may have resulted from sexual selection for individuals with certain appearances or from genetic drift (Roseman 2004).

Wikipedia is getting good with their cited sources nowadays. This article goes to show that "Racial features" are indeed not a result of specific, engrained differences as they are selective pressures of the area that are malleable. Purity is thus an ineffective and unsupportable definition. This should be obvious with logic, as traits developed due to selection, they should easily undevelop with new selection to represent those in certain other areas.

IsItJustMe · 04-14-2006, 07:40 PM

Nazi racial theory and the hollow earth:

The following quotations outline the course of the Thule society. This was an important organization of soft-brained individuals in Nazi Germany. Some top Nazis, such as Himmler, were closely involved with it.

The Thule society believed that the Aryan race had come from the lost continent of Atlantis, and that remnants of these lost supermen had gone on to build a subterranean society at a location which you could reach through a hole in Antarctica. I'm not making this up, I swear.

Some adherents believed instead that WE live on the inside of the earth, and the lost aryans have made it to the outside. This resulted in an actual Nazi mission in World War II to spy on a British fleet by pointing a telescope at the sky. Honest.

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The Thule Society was part of the Völkisch movement in Germany around the turn of the century. Like many other groups, it sought to find an ethnic and historical identity for Germany, which had only been united since 1871.

It had members from the top echelons of the Nazi Party, including Rudolf Heß and Alfred Rosenberg. Although Adolf Hitler himself was not a member, he received support from the group, and one of its members, Dietrich Eckart, actually coached him on his public speaking skills. Hitler later dedicated Mein Kampf to Eckart.
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A primary focus of Thule-Gesellschaft was a claim concerning the origins of the "Aryan race". "Thule" was a land located by Greco-Roman geographers in the furthest north. The society was named after "Ultima Thule" — (Latin: most distant Thule) mentioned by the Roman poet Virgil in his epic poem Aeneid, was the far northern segment of Thule and is generally understood to mean Scandinavia. Said by Nazi mystics to be the capital of ancient Hyperborea, they placed Ultima Thule in the extreme north near Greenland or Iceland.

The Thulists believed in the hollow earth theory. Thule had among its goals the desire to prove that the Aryan race came from a lost continent, perhaps Atlantis.

http://www.answers.com/topic/thule-society

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A great deal of time and resources were spent on researching or creating a popularly accepted “historical”, “cultural” and “scientific” background so the ideas about a “superior” Aryan race could prosper in the German society of the time. Mystical organizations such as the Thule Society, Schwarze Sonne, Vril Society and others were created, usually connected with elite SS corps, and adopting specific rituals, initiations and beliefs.[1]

Expeditions in Tibet, Nepal, Greece, the Arctic, and Neuschwabenland in Antarctica were organized in the search for the mythical “Aryan” nation of Hyperborea, whose capital, Ultima Thule was supposedly built by the extraterrestrial ancestors of the “Aryan races” who came from the star Aldebaran, according to some of the “Aryan” theories[citation needed].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_mysticism#Ahnenerbe

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Because they suspected that our surface is on the interior of a concave Earth, Hitler sent an expedition, including Dr. Heinz Fischer and powerful telescopic cameras, to the Baltic island of Rugen to spy on the British fleet. Fischer did so not by aiming his cameras across the waters, but by pointing them up to peer across the atmosphere to the Atlantic Ocean. The expedition was a failure, of course. Fischer's cameras saw nothing but sky, and the British fleet remained safe.

http://paranormal.about.com/od/hollo...aa022206_2.htm

ZeusTKP · 04-16-2006, 05:35 AM

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Ones who were a result of mixture with various Asiatic peoples from the steppes of central Asia (as in the incidence of impurity probably increased with longitude). People like the Cossacks, because they were skilled fighters and were very proud and cohesive (and probably because of their appearance to), were not considered to be mixed.

Hmmmm, I bet I'm of the mixed inferior variety, though I don't think you can tell just by looking at me. I am strongly attracted to asian women, too.

Woe is me.

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