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Old 10-01-2004, 09:03 PM   #51
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here's a concept...

supra-rational
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...not a rational judgment...

...irrational process...

...some way other than rational judgment...

...lack of rational judgment...
I do not understand what you are suggesting.
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supra-rational
Can you expound on that concept, please?
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...but I do understand where you are leading/implying/building a case for...
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...but I do understand where you are leading/implying/building a case for...
What case am I building?
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The reality of God is supra-rational - beyond our ken - as a weak analogy - kinda like the outer edges of string theory, but more so...

Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Definition: \Su"pra\, adv. [L.; akin to super. See {Super-}.]
Over; above; before; also, beyond; besides;

...Scripture clearly teaches this...
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What case am I building?
apologies - I should not be questioning your motives...carry on...
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Old 10-01-2004, 09:17 PM   #58
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The reality of God is supra-rational - beyond our ken - as a weak analogy - kinda like the outer edges of string theory, but more so...

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Definition: \Su"pra\, adv. [L.; akin to super. See {Super-}.]
Over; above; before; also, beyond; besides;

...Scripture clearly teaches this...
Fine. Any concept of God, and any judgment we may make of Him, is entirely beyond our capacity for reason. God, as you consider Him, has a nature of reasoning beyond our own, and has told us to trust Him, because, in essence, He knows better. You choose to trust Him, because you "sense" that He is telling the truth.

Is your "sense" of God, and His goodness, a result of this super-reasoning that we do not possess, and cannot conceive?
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apologies - I should not be questioning your motives...carry on...
No, please, with my complete permission, I invite you postulate where I am heading with this. As long as you don't call me names, I really don't care. I really wouldn't care, anyway.
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This is what I was suggesting. That your determination of God's goodness is not a rational judgment, but is a "feeling," or some other irrational process that you call "faith." I understand it is an "act of will," as a result of something you "sense" in some way other than rational judgment. But let me ask you, how would your sense of God's goodness differ from the feelings of "goodness" felt by a child who is being offered candy by a stranger with bad intentions? Sure, the child's "faith" is wrong, but how are they to determine that, in the lack of rational judgment, unless an authority (the parent) steps in and makes the claim that the stranger is not to be trusted?

How do you determine 'rational judgement' as opposed to 'conscious recognition'? I don't think that the example of a child not yet distrustful of strangers is a good analogy. The child recognizes the candy as good, not the stranger. Which is why that ploy works so well, as most small children cannot even be induced by their parents to say a simple 'hello' to people they are not familiar with. So, how does the child know that the candy is good? Because he has tasted it and recognized it's goodness. A favorite Psalm of mine is, "Taste and see the goodness of the Lord..."

Anyway...I recognize goodness by inate sense. Natural morality, the Law written on every heart. I recognize God's presence in that goodness by faith through Grace.


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