seebs

Yes. They make grape juice, and also grape soda.

mikem

Thanks guys. Or should I say cheers!

Julian

And just so we don't forget, here is QueenOfSwords review of Left Behind, well worth reading: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=85078

Julian

rickP

It took me two days of reading, but I thoroughly enjoyed his insight. I had read Kirban's 666 and 1000 many years ago and remember thinking the first book of the Left Behind series was very familiar when I read it, too.

funinspace

From my past history with Eva's/Bible churches/community churches, I would guess that maybe 30-50% have an alcohol hang up. And yes, they go thru odd contortions to make the Bible say what it doesn't. It's pretty funny to listen to a preacher going straight thru a chapter covering every tiny detail, and then run over the scary verse. Allot of them come with Baptist roots, which explains them to a degree.

A funny factoid on Welch's, is that the family that started it was Methodist, and canning grape juice was inspired for the above very reason. Now days you would be hard pressed to find a Methodist who wouldn't say cheers.

credoconsolans

A friend of mine is Mormon. He justified the grape juice claim because no where in the Christian part of the bible does it say Jesus drank wine (I believe he stated that the Greek word translated to the 'juice of the grape' which is - ta dah! Grape juice). I told him the word had to be translated in context but the only other places I knew right off hand that spoke of drunkeness was in the Hebrew bible stories of Noah and Lot. Does someone get drunk in the Christian bible and is the same word used for wine?

Chris Weimer

He's actually wrong. The Bible does not say "juice of grape" but very clearly wine.

rickP

I grew up Methodist and it was always grape juice at our church. But the big FMC across town used wine, so I guess it depended on the church.

Dean Anderson

I don't doubt you for a second - but is there any chance you could show us the relevant Greek for "wine" and "grape juice" (in situ if possible) so that if we repeat that claim and some Christian demands that we prove it we have the ammo to do so...

Thanks!

Chris Weimer

As far as I know, there was no word for "grape juice." The word for wine was, and still is, οινος, older form Fοινος (pronounced woinos), which was borrowed into Latin as vinum, and from there into English as wine. The Hebrew is either יין (yayin) which is always translated by the Septuagint translators as οινος.

For reference, the modern Greek phrase for grape juice (according to Babelfish) is χυμός σταφυλιών.

Enjoy.