Amos

Please allow me to respond tomorrow because I want you to read my side of this.

WinAce

"And Frodo vanquished the evil ring of power, and everyone lived happily ever after"

I like that ending better.

Amos

You are lying because Christ was never crucified but Jesus was. Christ was set free when Jesus was crucified and when Jesus was raised he was placed subservient to Christ.

Please don't tell me that that is the same thing because if you have such obvious concepts wrong God only knows what else you have wrong.

AJ113

That Paul of Tarsus, he knows nothing, eh Amos? Who does he think he is anyway, writing down his obviously wrong concepts in God's holy book?

nessa20x

When you die, the chemical and electrical interactions that make you who you are, end. Then you rot.

There has never been any evidence for the existence of any "soul" or supernatural entity that goes on after death. This is the fabrication of people whose goal is to be immortal and who would rather be duped into believing something pleasant, than accept the reality of the situation.

Amos

Paul was clever but not deceiving because Paul had finished the race and knew exactly where the end was and how to get there.
Our friend here is preaching the false Gospel that Paul wanted to lead people away from. The false Gospel is about the "historic Jesus" and good things to come only after you are long dead and buried. If you do not see the difference you are just a blind as the rest of them.

calladus

WTF?? And how does this make it better that true believers killed heritics in the past for daring to doubt the gospels? In other words - what does this have to do with the price of Tea in China?

Amos

You do nothing when you are dead.

Conchobar

After a couple hours of brain hypoxia, and brain ischemia, with acidosis, cell destruction is irreversible. Blood pressure may have dropped so low or one suffered cardiac arrest sufficient to kill brain cells. In this case the brain is getting no oxygen and no blood flow. This is called anoxia. The lack of blood perfusion with O2 and glucose sets up anaerobic metabolism and build up of Lactic acid. Loss of circulation means that toxins of metabolism are not being removed from the brain cells. The build-up of neurotransmitter amines and glutamate plus the destruction of calcium channels in the neurons lead to Calcium influx, potassium out flux, water permeation and cell swelling.

After a couple hours in this severe state the neuronal nuclei would break up. Mitochondria would burst and cease cellular metabolism. Swelling cells would rupture. In a few more hours the brain, axons, astrocytes, and oligodendrocytes would necrose. The capillary network would fragment with clots in the stasis of blood flow. Then the brain would turn into a semi-liquid mush. All fibre circuits would be erased. All memories, language functions, cognitive and emotional circuits, vision, hearing, and autonomic regulation (heat regulation, sweating, cardiac regulation would have already been lost.) There is no evidence of any surviving consciousness, memory, or cognition.

In such a body, the necrotic brain can produce no electrical saltatory transmission along axons. No synapses would be left. This is "Brain Death" which I am compelled to determine to my great sadness in patients about once per week. Once true Brain Death is determined by: 1. Loss of pupillary reflexes, 2. Loss of reflexive eye movements (Doll's eyes and caloric reponses,) 3. Loss of corneal responses, 4. Absence of any spontaneous breathing triggered by the brainstem reflexes confirmed with measured hypoxia/hypercarbia, 5. Loss of patterned motor responses (flaccid paralysis), 6. Flat lined EEG done twice 24 hours apart, or non-flow on MRAngiography. I always insist on the 24 hour period and blood tests showing no sedative drug levels. Then that is the final form of death. Not a single case meeting these criteria have ever recovered (in multiple different studies.)

No blood flow meant no oxygen, no removal of glutamate, no prevention of open Calcium ion channels, and no maintenance of membrane stability of neurones. Then apoptosis (cell death) occurred. There was nothing with which to perceive, to be aware, to activate muscles, circuits to think, or circuits to talk.

So, if a Christian or Atheist dies, the brain which is the seat of awareness, memory, and general cognition is no longer functioning. For that person, all is over. There is no evidence of an afterlife. There is no evidence that some magical hypothetical soul survives real death with a carbon copy of the brain’s memories, emotions, or cognitive activity (thinking). So death means that the show is over, or as Porky Pig used to say,”Th-th-th-that’s all folks.”

Conchobar

Godless Wonder

Here's something for soul believers to consider: What happens to the soul of someone who's suffered from Alzheimer's for years, so their memory is gone, their personality is gone, nearly nothing remains of the person they once were, yet they still live. Then at some point they die. What happens with their soul? Did it leave early, and they "catch up to it?" Is it repaired in heaven? Do they still suffer Alzheimer's in heaven? Are they cured of Alzheimers, but still deprived of their memories which they lost to the disease on earth? What about memories they would have formed but for the disease, but which were never formed at all, and so were not really "lost?" Are their memories miraculously restored? What about severely retarded people, or autistic people? By curing them in heaven, doesn't this essentially make them into different people? The identity of the suol would seem to depend on the mind remaining more or less as it was in life, at least containing the memories of earth.

All these deficeincies in the mind attributable to physical problems in the brain have lead me to think that the mind is not separable from the brain, notwithstanding the raidio receiver analogy.