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Old 08-21-2012, 06:26 PM   #131
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In another forum (italian forum) Abraham wrote:

Littlejohn and many others, including Biglino and his 'disciples', make the mistake of considering Judaism like it be Christianity, in the way of thinking of the society in which they were born and raised.

Many still believe that Judaism it be like the one described in the NT, with all the negative connotations that this latest gives him, namely a kind of Judaism that has never existed. In few really know the true Judaism is the search for truth and studying in unconditional way..

The fact to be grew up in a society so influenced by religion, does not allow no even to the most talented scholars to conceive a society thus free and unrestricted as it has always been the Jewish one...

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"..Many still believe that Judaism it be like the one described in the NT.."

I understand what it be the 'message' you want 'vehicular'. However I do not think I fall into the 'stereotype' that you outlined ..

When, back in the years '95-'96, I started my researches for the true origins of catho-christianity, I wondered whether the fact that in Catholic doctrine there are so many 'pagan' elements (and in the first centuries of our era there were surely many more!) it was own due to the same Jesus and his being of 'Nazarene' matrix

The intuition turned out to be happy, since in the course of my research not only I had the answers to my questions, but I could also shed light on the mystery surrounding the origins of Judaism itself. You do not get to understand everything, if you stay bound to fruitless 'monotipia', prepared with great 'cure' by catho-christian forgers more than 19 centuries ago!...

"...is the search for truth.."

In addition to being an ABSOLUTE hired, to which I promptly homologated myself, this concept applies not only to Judaism, but also to all other religions and the philosophies of life associated to they. I'm not a believer, because I feel 'happily' agnostic.

However, one thing was clear from the outset: if you really were to exist the one God toward which are oriented the thinking and the 'expectations' of the faithful of the whole world, then it is just the constant search for the 'TRUTH' that it can us approach to the transcendent, whoever he is, and NOT the useless prayers, that, in addition to assume the role of element of plagiarism on the part of counterfeiters in bad faith, they also leave the time they find .....


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If one accepts the premise that Jesus had been a preacher who gained a following but had done something to cause himself to be crucified--

Why did the idea that he had been resurrected not only start, but persist over time?
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As it may appear to you absurd, not only Jesus 'resources', but the one happened twice and..... a 'half'!

The first time Jesus 'resources', it was around the year 33. This date can be considered fairly reliable, thanks to the historical support that gives us the famous text known as PISTIS SOPHIA. According to this precious document, in fact, Jesus would have remained another 11 years with his disciples after his 'resurrection'.

Around the year 44-45 happened something very important, which not only changed the life of Jesus, but also forced him to leave Palestine and to 'burn his food in public', as recorded in the Talmud of rabbis. This event not only influenced radically the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, but, practically, also contributed to radically change the course of historical events from then until the present day!

Subtracting to 44 the number of years in which Jesus remained with his disciples after his 'resurrection', ie 11, one falls just at the year 33: date of its first 'resurrection'! ...

Since it is impossible for an animal being, of any 'type', die and then rise again, it goes without saying that the jesus' 'resurrection' should be properly 'interpreted'(*). In fact, there was NOT NOTHING of physical in the 'resurrection' one, because it was an event purely SYMBOLIC! ......



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(*) - something very similar, should be made to the Gospel passage in which it is said that Jesus 'cast out seven demons' from the body of Mary Magdalene. Many other passages should be studied with the same care and the same adress of thought ...


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".. The truth goes not researched in what the priests
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".. The truth goes not researched in what the priests
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Through a constant and indefatigable research! ... They are now over 16 years since I started doing it ...

Through researching and investigating carefully, at the end one can guess what the forger clergy, for over 19 centuries now, it is trying 'desperately' and CRIMINALLY to hide, without stopping in front of any crime, although it is chilling (see the extermination of the Cathars, of the Templars, of the Jews of the Diaspora, of the 'heretics', etc..), when the 'need' requires it! ..


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Through a constant and indefatigable research! ... They are now over 16 years since I started doing it ...

Through researching and investigating carefully, at the end one can guess what the forger clergy, for over 19 centuries now, it is trying 'desperately' and CRIMINALLY to hide, without stopping in front of any crime, although it is chilling (see the extermination of the Cathars, of the Templars, of the Jews of the Diaspora, of the 'heretics', etc..), when the 'need' requires it! ..


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I was hoping for a magic wand to open the vaults of the Vatican; something like open sesame, perhaps.

Yes, I know a little about the Cathars, Templars and many many many more such acts of cruelty.

England was spared the Inquisition, but not the horror of Romish governance: burn heretics, burn, burn and praise the pope.


Bishop Bonner of London

“Mary's administration thought that the Reformers would best be dealt with by the ecclesiastical tribunals, rather than by the civil power, and on Bonner, as Bishop of London, fell the chief burden to stamp out religious dissent. Therefore, in 1555 began the persecution to which he owes his notoriety among his detractors as Bloody Bonner...

Bonner, they point out, was one of those who brought it to pass that the condemnation of heretics to the fire should be part of his ordinary official duties, and he was represented as hounding men and women to death with merciless vindictiveness.


Bonner never tired of trying to convert others to Catholicism, and never repented of his crimes to Protestants. Bishop Jewel in a letter to Peter Martyr related this event, "Being confined to the tower of London upon accession of Queen Elizabeth, the highest punishment inflicted, he went to visit some of the criminals kept in that prison, and wishing to encourage them, called them his friends and neighbors." Upon this, one of them is said to have answered, "Go beast, into hell, and find your friends there, for we are none of them. I killed but one man upon a provocation, and do truly repent of it; but you have killed many persons of all sorts, without any provocation from them, and are hardened in your impenitence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Bonner


Comburendo in 1400 orders that heretics be burned in high places for all to see and fear the master of heaven and earth.


De Hæretico Comburendo (1401)

“and them before the people in an high place cause to be burnt, that such punishment may strike fear into the minds of others, whereby,nosuch wicked doctrine and heretical and erroneous opinions, nor their authors and fautors, in the said realm and dominions, against the Catholic faith, Christian law, and determination of the holy church, “

http://www.ric.edu/faculty/rpotter/heretico.html
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- Who is Queen Helene of the Toledot Yeshu? -

The problem with the Toledot Yeshu story is not the birth of its Yeshu figure during the time of Alexander Janneaus (103-76 b.c.) but the time of the death of it's Yeshu figure i.e. during the time of Queen Helene. The wife of Alexander Jannaeus was not named Helene, she was named Salome Alexandria.

G.R.S. Mead has suggested that name-play is involved here:

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G.R.S Mead: Did Jesus Live 100 BC.

XVI. – The 100 Year BC Date In The Toldoth

“Unfortunately, the historical Greek name of this queen is Alexandra (presumably after her husband's Greek name Alexander), and not Helena or Helene. It is, however, to be noticed that both in Greek and Latin the name Salome is given as Salina.[3] Now we have already seen that name-play was a frequent device of the Talmud story-tellers; not only so, but it had for centuries been a favourite occupation of the scribes of the Old Covenant documents.”
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If this is so, then the time of the death of the Yeshu figure is not determined, i.e. it cannot be assigned to the time of the wife of Alexander Jannaeus, Salome Alexandra. (76-67 b.c.)

The question is an open one: who is being referenced by the name of Queen Helene in the Toledot Yeshu story?
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I do not think it is necessary to 'disturb' G.R.S. Mead to understand, or at least guess about what it was the female character in historical reality.

I think that no one, now, has doubts about the fact that the author of the episode reported in Toledoth Yeshu ('Stories of Jesus'), deliberately used the pseudonym (or' name-play ') HELENA to inform' any reader of the book that the real character, that is to say the Queen Salome Alexandra, did not have NOTHING to do with the story of Jesus of Nazareth, and that the choice of the pseudo-name was due, as usual, to the pressing need to camouflage all in the eyes of satanic Catholic inquisitors.

To figure out which historical character the author (or authors) of Toledoth Yeshu, intended to hide behind the apparent figure of Salome Alexandra, just read with due attention to the Acts of the Apostles, bearing in mind that Jesus of Nazareth was NOT executed in Jerusalem in the 30s, but in the city of LYDDA (now Lud), around the year 72.


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It's worth noting that the Talmud does specify the Queen Shlomzion, and although Yeshu was executed in Lydda, he was hanged in Jerusalem.

Also, according to Jewish law stoning did not involve having people throwing rocks at someone. It involved taking someone up steps to a platform and throwing them off where they would strike their head on a stone floor which killed them.

Capital punishment involving this (skila) or any other method could only be imposed by the Sanhedrin (which DID NOT have authority for capital punishment in the 1st century under the Romans) on the basis of two witnesses of the sin committed by the accused and provide IDENTICAL testimony including that they both warned the accused of the sin and the consequences of it.
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It's worth noting that the Talmud does specify the Queen Shlomzion, and although Yeshu was executed in Lydda, he was hanged in Jerusalem.

Also, according to Jewish law stoning did not involve having people throwing rocks at someone. It involved taking someone up steps to a platform and throwing them off where they would strike their head on a stone floor which killed them.

Capital punishment involving this (skila) or any other method could only be imposed by the Sanhedrin (which DID NOT have authority for capital punishment in the 1st century under the Romans) on the basis of two witnesses of the sin committed by the accused and provide IDENTICAL testimony including that they both warned the accused of the sin and the consequences of it.
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"..and although Yeshu was executed in Lydda, he was hanged in Jerusalem..."


I just think you're on the right track, friend! ...

Work hard and you will arrive at the finish line before the others ... Anyway, even if you were to get last, do not worry: the doors of the psychiatric hospitals never close ...



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It's worth noting that the Talmud does specify the Queen Shlomzion, and although Yeshu was executed in Lydda, he was hanged in Jerusalem.

Also, according to Jewish law stoning did not involve having people throwing rocks at someone. It involved taking someone up steps to a platform and throwing them off where they would strike their head on a stone floor which killed them.

Capital punishment involving this (skila) or any other method could only be imposed by the Sanhedrin (which DID NOT have authority for capital punishment in the 1st century under the Romans) on the basis of two witnesses of the sin committed by the accused and provide IDENTICAL testimony including that they both warned the accused of the sin and the consequences of it.
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Since the 'mythicists', in order to 'protect' to the bitter end their 'shaky' and improbable thesis, about the mythical origin (and so anti-historical) of Jesus of Nazareth, absurdly reject the rabbinic evidences (because DISRUPTIVE for their thesis!) concerning Jesus of Nazareth, called variously, in their texts, as Yeshu ben Pandira, or ben Stada, or 'Peloni' (so and so, or 'the one man'), or 'talui' (the 'hanged'), or 'the prostitute's son', etc., I report under the comments of RT Herford, present in his work 'Christianity in Talmud and Midrash':

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....There can be no reasonable doubt that the Yeshu, who is variously called Ben Stada and Ben Pandira is the historical Jesus, the founder of Christianity. It is true that the name Jeshu'a, though not common, was the name of others beside Jesus of Nazareth ; and even in the New Testament (Col. iv. 11) there is mention of one Jesus who is called Justus.
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The work of R.T. Herford is not only very objective and nothing at all factious, as the modern commentators, clerical or pro-clericals, addressed to empty of credibility the contents of the Talmud and other rabbinic works, in which is 'sketched in' the figure of Jesus of Nazareth (*), but also it is very important, since it was completed in a period not suspected (XIX century), meaning with that the fact that today the Israeli government-rabbinic apparatus tends, paradoxically (in spite of everything!), to defend the pack of lies and deceptions on which the catho-christianity was founded. No wonder that, since the precious economic resources, related to religious tourism in the 'Holy Land', constitute an absolutely indispensable element for the modern Jewish state.

NOTE: "..the historical Jesus, the founder of Christianity..": in reality, Jesus of Nazareth, 'wizard', illusionist and famous gnostic teacher of his time (plus other things!) NOT FOUNDED any Christianity, nor, still less, the Catholic one! ..
The 'church' that Jesus founded, was NOT the 'Roman Catholic Apostolic Church' (a hallucinating invention of the first half of the second century), but rather the GNOSTIC-JESUAN one, directly derived from that 'gnostic-johannine', because Jesus had been a disciple of the gnostic teacher (and 'wizard' in turn!) John the Baptist. Jesus, however, 'personalized' the johannine gnosticism from which he had been educated, adapting it to his personal 'visions' and beliefs. Not surprising, therefore, that in the Gnostic texts of the Mandaeans we find the valuable information according to which [b] ".. Jesus was a reformer of cults .." [/ b]


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