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Deus Ex · 01-06-2009, 03:04 PM

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Life after death cannot be proven empirically. It is upon the theist to provide evidence.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die,... (Heb 9:27) and then the obvious will be evident.

You are asserting without any evidence. Falling back on the authority of an anonymous writer from the first century is quite ineffectual.

Do you understand what empirical means?

Deus Ex · 01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

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The Bible may very well be true; so might the Quran, or the Hindu Vedas. I am reserving judgment.

The plausibility of any of them being correct is extremely low by my reckoning.

You only have to worry about the one that is correct.

And I am sure that you can prove which one is correct, right? You just presuppose one to be correct because of the culture you live in. Muslims presuppose their book to be the Word of God; Mormons and Hindus do likewise. I require evidence, not presuppositions.

Care to defend the doctrine of inerrancy?

aa5874 · 01-06-2009, 03:42 PM

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Can you please tell where my father and mother-in-law live, right now.

I saw them dead, they have been documented as having died, and I know where they were buried.

Where are they living? You say they are not dead, their death certificates are useless then.

Certainly, you saw their dead bodies. Does that mean that they ceased to live once their bodies died off?

Death certificates allow you to cash in on your inheritance.

You know better where they are now. If they trusted in Christ, they are with Him. If not, they await judgment.

They are with whom? According to the Jews, the disciples stole the body of Jesus, they found the linen, but he did not shed any bones.

Where are the bones of Jesus?

And, where is Jesus living, right now? Just point in the direction.

rhutchin · 01-06-2009, 04:41 PM

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Can you please tell where my father and mother-in-law live, right now.

I saw them dead, they have been documented as having died, and I know where they were buried.

Where are they living? You say they are not dead, their death certificates are useless then.

Certainly, you saw their dead bodies. Does that mean that they ceased to live once their bodies died off?

Death certificates allow you to cash in on your inheritance.

You know better where they are now. If they trusted in Christ, they are with Him. If not, they await judgment.

They are with whom? According to the Jews, the disciples stole the body of Jesus, they found the linen, but he did not shed any bones.

Where are the bones of Jesus?

And, where is Jesus living, right now? Just point in the direction.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. (1 Peter 3:18-22)

rhutchin · 01-06-2009, 04:45 PM

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The Bible may very well be true; so might the Quran, or the Hindu Vedas. I am reserving judgment.

The plausibility of any of them being correct is extremely low by my reckoning.

You only have to worry about the one that is correct.

And I am sure that you can prove which one is correct, right? You just presuppose one to be correct because of the culture you live in. Muslims presuppose their book to be the Word of God; Mormons and Hindus do likewise. I require evidence, not presuppositions.

You choose; you face the consequences.

I offer this advice:

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. (James 1)

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Care to defend the doctrine of inerrancy?

What needs to be defended?

rhutchin · 01-06-2009, 04:48 PM

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Life after death cannot be proven empirically. It is upon the theist to provide evidence.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die,... (Heb 9:27) and then the obvious will be evident.

You are asserting without any evidence. Falling back on the authority of an anonymous writer from the first century is quite ineffectual.

Do you understand what empirical means?

Death will provide the empirical evidence you seek and the truth will be obvious to you.

aa5874 · 01-06-2009, 05:33 PM

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You are asserting without any evidence. Falling back on the authority of an anonymous writer from the first century is quite ineffectual.

Do you understand what empirical means?

Death will provide the empirical evidence you seek and the truth will be obvious to you.

I knew you were dead already. Only the dead can tell what happens after death.

It is now obvious that there is a death certificate in your name and that you have already shed your bones.

Deus Ex · 01-06-2009, 06:12 PM

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You are asserting without any evidence. Falling back on the authority of an anonymous writer from the first century is quite ineffectual.

Do you understand what empirical means?

Death will provide the empirical evidence you seek and the truth will be obvious to you.

It is like talking to this :banghead:

How does our consciousness survive our death? Does not our consciousness reside in the brain? If our true consciousness is the 'soul' then why does alcohol effect my 'soul'?

Are our personalities stored in this invisible soul? Will a person who dies with Alzheimers wake up in the afterlife with their youthful mind? Have you seen evidence of a soul?

Deus Ex · 01-06-2009, 06:37 PM

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And I am sure that you can prove which one is correct, right? You just presuppose one to be correct because of the culture you live in. Muslims presuppose their book to be the Word of God; Mormons and Hindus do likewise. I require evidence, not presuppositions.

You choose; you face the consequences.

Yes, please resort to implicit threats from your loving god.

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I offer this advice:
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. (James 1)

I offer this advice back:
Don't quote Bible verses to someone who does not accept the Bible as God's Word.

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Care to defend the doctrine of inerrancy?

What needs to be defended?

Your claims require the Bible to be inerrant and inspired by God. The Bible is clearly errant. Do you challenge this?

rhutchin · 01-07-2009, 02:48 AM

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The Bible is clearly errant. Do you challenge this?

Yes. I have not seen much support for this position. Most of the issues I have seen involve numbers and insignificant details representing less than 1 percent of what we read in the Bible where the lack of detail by the author leads to confusion by some readers.

I don't recall seeing anything other than minor quibbles.

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