spin

Ummm, the Chosen, the Beloved, the Vanquished, the Unredeemed, the Anointed, the Confused, the Perplexed, the Unforgiven, the Lost, the Unwashed, the Damned, the Unknown, the Bored, the Exploited, the Unprepared, the Unlearned, the Inexperienced, the Underprivileged, the Injured, the Infirmed, the Blessed, the Saved, the Unborn, etc. We do this sort of thing all the time, use a participle as a noun. That's what happened in Greek with christos, the Anointed.

spin

K.I.S.S. Burial practices frequently involved preparing the body, cleaning it, oiling it, placing it in some position, sticking it in the ground, the Egyptians cut out the gizzards and stuck them in jars, sucked the brain out of the skull, packed the body with spices and left it to cure. Others laid the body out and burned it. Oiling the dead was popular.

Chili

Sure, but those are all atributes that pertain to the human condition of man and not the Being itself that in Christendom we call Christ as the genus of man, who has no equal in the image of God.

This identity is made known by the Son, that equals to have first person representation on earth in the image of God as the naked animal man, now with a mind of his own dressed with the qualities he once sought and wherein now love is the greatest of all: no longer to be loved but to be love, as the vapor of life itself in the mind of the man who no longer is human as such (of which then the Stoic is an imitator trying to be, just as a so called Christian would.

Sheshbazzar

I like Keeping It Simple. One doesn't even need to go into the complexities of Greek syntax to consider such a simple question;

Was there some kind of magical restraint in place back then that prevented common people from making the same kinds of misidentification or associations of similar sounding foreign words, as is common today?
Was it impossible that some semi-literate first century Jews might, mistakenly or not, associate the old Greek word krist with the old Egyptian word karast?
Or perhaps confuse/associate chrestos with christos ?

Yes ...hmmm.... now what was it that they called those kinds of jars?

And what was the word for that process that Joseph had performed on the dead body of Jacob his father in Egypt (according to the narrative)?

tanya

Great dialogue Shesh, as always a joy to encounter.

Now, for confounding sounds, instead of old Greek "krist" with old egyptian karast, how about contemporary, "gizzards", i.e. the internal digestive organs of avians, with "innards", the colloquial name for the digestive tract of mammals?

Toto

It has not been shown to everyone's satisfaction that Greek culture owes everything to ancient Egypt.


Black_Athena

Robert Tulip

spin, if you could explain what the actual Egyptian term for anointing/embalming was, and give examples of its use that show no etymological similarity to Christ, I would reconsider my view. But I remain of the view that you are obstinately ignoring the Egyptian influence on Christian ideas. The prima facie evidence I have seen is that karast means anoint and anoint means Christ, so karast means Christ.

Another example of deep Egyptian influence on Christianity is the raising of Lazarus, clearly a way to give new life to Osiris in lightly concealed guise, with the majesty of Christ drawing from the majesty of similar Gods from earlier millennia. John would not have included the Egyptian Mertha ladies alongside El Azar unless he was genuflecting to the old true religion.

Such insights in comparative mythology were studied extensively in the early days of Egyptology. The comparative agenda has largely been shelved, not refuted, for a range of complex cultural reasons, including the baleful influence of the Christian church destroying the careers of those who study such topics, like Massey.

Chili

My bolding above

But Christian ideas is a paradox all on its own as all Christian ideas are the same because only in Christ mankind is one, which is the end is why all mythologies are transparent. . . except those with Christian ideas.

So to use that combination of two words is fatal already, and is like saying "God told me" or "Gabriel told me."

From this follows that Christianity cannot be a religion because it is the end of religion that must necessarily be left behind so that heaven can have is say among men here on earth, wherefore then there are no churches in the city of God.

Robert Tulip

Chili – I do tend to find your comments baffling and rather illogical, although intriguing in a mystical sort of way.
Mythologies are not transparent. In fact they are often rather opaque, with possible real origins lost. You have no basis to assert that Christian myth is any more or less transparent than other mythologies.
Use of the phrase ‘Christian ideas’ is hardly to be equated to paradox or claims of divine revelation. It is simply a description of the ancient dogmas. There were Christians and they had ideas.
Christianity is in fact a religion, contrary to your personalised definition.
No. Christian ideas are diverse.

spin

Not true. You confuse common sense with being able to deal with a subject. Common sense will lead you to error more times than not. The simplest way to deal with things is to know something about them. That way you'll know your limitations and not fall foul of Einstein's version of Occam's razor: make things as simple as possible, but no simpler.

See what I mean? Of course you do. Not having a way to know is not knowing.

No.

When you lean on "possible" you discover at some level or other many things that are not considered possible are in fact logically possible. Though we aren't interested in vague possibilities, but what the evidence suggests happened.

Same language, single vowel difference. You seriously need a decent analogy.

In which language?? I know what they're called in English. Do you know of any other language on the issue?

I gather you're finishing for חנט, X-N-+ (chet-nun-tet). What's that got to do with anything? Are you working yourself up to an ignominious argument from vague appearance??

Can you tell me these things: 1) who exactly were embalmed? 2) who would know about the subject? and 3) when in history were they embalmed?