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Perry5 · 09-23-2004, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

Psychiatrists tell us that the demons Jesus was casting out were nothing more than mental illnesses then undiagnosable. Jewish scholars are concluding that King David probably suffered from bi polar disorder [ manic depression ] as expressed in his writings of Psalms. I am wondering if the visions [hallucinations ] reported by John, the author of Revelations, are symptoms of schizophrenia.

What think you ?

(In religian,the bible,the koran and the torah hides the sins of yesteryear in science lies the hope for tomorrowshumanity.)

Boro Nut · 09-23-2004, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

I saw a rather famous medieval painting once in "Newsweek" magazine about this vision of Paul. It clearly showed that Paul was riding a high horse on a sunny day and here the light rays from the celestial light came to him from nearly the opposite direction than those of the sun. Of course this doesn't mean much but it does indicate that Paul was still riding his horse when this vision came to him.

It also adds to the weightly evidence for divine intervention. What chance is there that the painter just happened to be sat at that specific point in the road at the precise moment the passing Paul was struck by the celestial light? The odds against simply don't bear thinking.

Boro Nut

Boomeister · 09-23-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OdysseusTheInnkeeper

The primary Operative Archetype or subconscious personality is usually female in the physical male, and vice versa, and become flipped for some, so close are they entertwined and enfolded. Most of the split personality business is a natural part of the subconscious superplex of any individual, such as badgering parents or teachers.
Under stress, this subconscious complex can surface and manifest itself as the original schizophrenic definition. Oddly enough, one can actually choose which personalities, from any story or personal experience, are prime in the dynamic hierarchy- anything from Gandolf to Mhoram to Prince Tigana to Jfk to penelope to Leonardo Devinci to Horton to Kath to living people you admire- all playing a game of boids- automatically, optimally changing places in a way that will make your life a great book!
Last Week I felt my Odysseus' drop down into my subconscious, and feel a great friendship+ for the living now, and have this tremendous need now to re-establish childhood friendships and lost loves. And one thing I've noticed is that my personal drama has left me much too nice for my own good.
Although changes are taking place in my nearby environment, I've begun to feel claustrophobic even outside in my 33 year old D.C. Metro environment.It's time for a change!
&namaste all
P.S. I know I've just had something pulled down by subconscious that I wanted to say, but- that's all for the better- off topic for this thread.
Otik the Jungian AKA(?) neil

Schizophrenia and Multiple Personality Disorder are two totally different things. I wasn't aware people with MPD are able to choose their personalities. Under that severe of stress, people generally don't have directed thoughts. Quite the opposite. Their frontal lobes tend to temporarily shut down, so that they don't have to process their stress. Kind of a protective thing. Their more primitive parts of their brains might perhaps do something very creative to adapt, such as come up with another personality, become psychotic (schizophrenia) to not have to deal with the true reality, or have an out of body experience...to name a few. If you can pick your own personality, then you probably have something close to an imaginary friend, rather than a true personality.

Perhaps John of Revelations was suffering from hallucinations due to the desert conditions (dehydration, for instance) but likely it's just a made up story with symbols to be decrypted. I guess we can never know, as none of us ever met/assessed John. Same with Paul. Although Paul appears to be slick, so he likely made up a good story to justify his authority. But who knows?

Boomeister

Chili · 09-23-2004, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro Nut

It also adds to the weightly evidence for divine intervention. What chance is there that the painter just happened to be sat at that specific point in the road at the precise moment the passing Paul was struck by the celestial light? The odds against simply don't bear thinking.

Boro Nut

Exactly, there was no horse except his own ego and just as Paul was a persecutor of Christians so are we if we must find our destiny at the outer limits of our own world = west and opposite to East of Eden.

Vorkosigan · 09-24-2004, 07:43 AM

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It also adds to the weightly evidence for divine intervention. What chance is there that the painter just happened to be sat at that specific point in the road at the precise moment the passing Paul was struck by the celestial light? The odds against simply don't bear thinking.

Boro Nut

Dammit, Boro, that's another keyboard shot to hell from liquid spewed all over it!

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