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Old 01-07-2012, 01:39 PM   #121
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500 zombies prowling around.
“One of the most striking differences between a cat and a rumour is that a cat has only nine lives.”— borrowed from Mark Twain
What do you want to confess about this rumor?
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the four philosophers should not be on the list, if we are looking for smart people who endorse the the inerrancy or supernatural nature of the Bible.
But we aren't.
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the four philosophers should not be on the list, if we are looking for smart people who endorse the the inerrancy or supernatural nature of the Bible.
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One of the strange things about these kinds of posters is how nasty they are. Their faith seems to be some kind of free pass for acting offensively.
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But we aren't.
So what was the point of your list?
As I pointed out earlier, the list was in response to a statement questioning
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a reference (Like No Robots did) for the previous quote struck me....strange.
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Destitute of what? Atheism is, by definition, simply an absence of a particular belief.
Like agnosticism!
Agnosticism actually is a belief. It's a belief that the existence/non-existence of God is unprovable. It's not a position on the existence of God, but on the evidence for God. Agnosticism is often mistakenly conflated with weak atheism (a lack of theistic belief, but without a positive belief in non-existence), but they aren't the same thing. In fact, agnosticism is not incompatible with either theism or atheism.
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Like agnosticism!
Agnosticism actually is a belief. It's a belief that the existence/non-existence of God is unprovable.
That's a sub-division of agnosticism.
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As for the others you listed, the four philosophers should not be on the list, if we are looking for smart people who endorse the the inerrancy or supernatural nature of the Bible.

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William of Occam was condemned as a heretic in 1326. He was considered a nominalist or conceptualist when it came to Plato's universals. This was in direct opposition to Christians like Saint Augustine who regarded them as real. His denial of supernatural explanations as the best explanations helped to lead to empiricism and modern science.
William_of_Ockham held a strong view of the authority of the Bible. His disbelief in the possibilty of discovering spiritual truth by the unaided human intellect combined with his more-or-less orthodox Christianity required him to place a strong emphasis on divine revelation.

The criticisms of some of Ockham's philosophical positions in 1326 or 1327 apparently did not lead to his condemnation as a heretic. However he was later excommunicated for denouncing John XXII as a false pope.

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Like agnosticism!
Agnosticism actually is a belief. It's a belief that the existence/non-existence of God is unprovable.
That's a sub-division of agnosticism.
Agnosticism doesn't have subsets. That's how Thomas Huxley (the coiner of the word) defined it.
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