Alludium Fozdex

Give some examples of technologies that are specifically self-destructive.

Consider that the most basic piece of technology is the lever; how, exactly, is a lever self-destructive?
The consequences of any action cannot be known with 100% certainty. Your point?
Agriculture is an application of science; what problems have resulted from it that are unrelated to human error?

You see, that's your problem: human error cannot be factored out of the equation. To remove the error factor, the human factor must be removed as well.

The Dollar

Improvements in agricultural technology has led to massive unsustainable Homo sapien overpopulation and destruction of bio-diversity. The ranges of many species are in decline as a direct result of agricultural 'improvement' and we are accelerating the mass extinction that was alaready underway before the industrial revolution in agriculture. Before someone says science will fix the problems I'd like to ask what is the prime cause of these problems? - don't give me religion or people or politics as these have been around for millennia. It is the scientific method that has led directly to the problems - not the solutions.

PyramidHead

The Dollar, could you briefly define the scientific method, and perhaps speculate on what part of it you think is responsible for all the trouble?

Is it the part where experiments are repeated to make sure results didn't happen by chance?

The part where controls are set up to verify the phenomena don't happen by themselves?

The part where double-blind methodology is used to guard against tampering by the operator?

Which is it? You seem to be harping on and on with your nonsense about pies without giving any indication of what the actual, precise problem is.

Khalliqa

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keith&Co.

I would think that improvements in the technology would mean more food per acre? That would be the opposite of destruction of bio-diversity. Something other than agricultural science is responsible for the destruction of rain forests or other forests or other extensions of agriculture.

The Dollar

I do suspect denial here - albeit at the subconsious level -like the food isn't going to produce more humans who require concrete not fauna for to stand upon?

Keith&Co.

Since you've yet to substantiate a single one of your assertions, i'm not terribly impressed with whatever you suspect.

Alludium Fozdex

No, it's far worse than that: any solution to any problem automatically generates at least one new problem.

This appears to be a fundamental operator for the universe.

I harbor serious doubt that there is a solution to that...er...problem.

Smullyan-esque

You have X humans, taking up whatever amount of space they take up.

In order to feed them, you have two choices.
1) Use primitive, pre-science farming techniques. This will require quite a lot of acreage to be used to produce enough food.
2) Use modern, scientific farming techniques. This will require less acreage.

How are the scientific farming techniques causing a problem? It sounds like they are solving a problem.

The real problem is that people breed excessively. This is not science's fault. In fact, in countries that have industrialized, the population growth rate has declined, in some cases into the negatives.

Keith&Co had a good, valid point. The Dollar, you should read more carefully and consider that the other people who are posting here may actually have something you need to think about.

figuer

Simplistic and flawed analogy. The scientific method is not equivalent to the 'brain', it is equivalent to certain limited functions - acquisition, storage and analysis of technical information which occur in the brain. There are other functions occurring in the brain that determine actions, and which are not analogous to the scientific method. These are the functions having to do with determining the moral values of actions.

The problem with your premise is that it ignores the connecting element between science and its technological application: value systems/Ideology.

Science - Ideology - Technology

It is ideology which is responsible for the misapplication of scientific knowledge, not the scientific method itself, which is neutral.