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Toto · 10-25-2005, 03:52 PM

This topic has come up in the Evolution-Creationism forum (example: here) so I will move this to join the crowd.

DaMan121 · 10-25-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by patchy

Some of our resident anthropologists, linguists, and other technical experts can provide the scholarly detail you're looking for, but...in the meantime, the answer, as I suspect you already know, simply boils down to this:

The Bronze Age goatherders who first "recorded" the global flood were about as ignorant about the rest of the world as you'd expect Bronze Age goatherders to be, and thus they failed to keep any number of knee-slappingly ridiculous, falsifying contradictions from finding their way into the account--a problem only magnified by willfully stupid people deciding, two thousand years hence, to take the story literally rather than as the poetic allegory it was very possibly meant to be in the first place.

Again--that's the short version; anything on top of it is just gravy.

Well to be fair to those goat-herders, its not their fault that morons a few thousand years later take the story literally. As for the plot holes, well even todays work of fiction have bigger plot holes, so you can overlook that. They should get sued for copying someone elses idea though.

Sensei Meela · 10-25-2005, 05:15 PM

Quite possibly the best answer I've yet seen came from this site, perhaps even from Boro Nut, if memeory serves me...

"Q: If Noah's descendents are asian, black, white, etc...what does that make Noah?
A: Cuckold. And too busy with his boating hobby to notice."

But seriously folks, the creationist argument is really not much less of a joke; paraphrased, 'all 'evolution' is is a reshuffling of pre-existing genes, so therefore Noah (and presumably eveybody has) all the genes for all the races.'

Kotter · 10-25-2005, 05:42 PM

I once heard an "expert" (read that as: fundy) "show" how the genes of Adam and Eve were arranged. It had absolutely nothing to do with genetics, and as Sensei Meela said, it was a reshuffling - no dominant and recessive characteristics, just a game of reshuffling! Even if you only have a basic understanding of genetics (like myself), you could tell it was a load of bollocks!

Philosoft · 10-25-2005, 08:43 PM

Another unanswered question: Did Noah own the only boat in the world at that time? No one thought to lash together a raft when the house began to flood?

judanne · 10-25-2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
im sure there is evidence against it, because it just seems so obvious. but if anyone could post info related to the question id really appreciate it.

This page at Talk Origins has lots of material refuting flood mythology.

On another note, arguing with family members about religion is often not very productive, emotionally draining and...well, you might want to check out some of the discussions on this topic in the Lounge or Secular Lifestyle fora if you haven't already. Here's one, for example
Good luck

judanne · 10-25-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro Nut

It only says Noah was righteous. His missus was a right dirty bitch. And for someone who's supposed to live in a multicultural melting pot you strike me as surprisingly naive

Boro Nut

That bible is always blaming women for stuff! Does the bible say that his wife gave birth to those three? Were there any witnesses? Maybe Noah was a "righteous" steed and spread his seed. Maybe he was the man-tart...or maybe there's just a better over all explanation like, "didn't happen".

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Originally posted by Roland
At the time of the flood, Noah was around 500 years old, yet he only had three sons?! No daughters? No granchildren? No great-great-great-great-great grandchildren? Doesn't sound like old Noah and his children were very fruitful in the multiplying department.

Nowadays, with Viagara and such, men might contemplate procreation in their "golden" years...oh, bad picture!

It's late, forgive me. :Cheeky:

rlogan · 10-25-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Virtue

Now how he had a white son, a black son and an asian son is beyond me.

Sheesh.

You think white folk are gonna clean the poop and cook for the animals?

The bible doesn't comment on the help. It was common knowledge.

Other boats? No. Just the one.

Dean Anderson · 10-26-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sensei Meela

Quite possibly the best answer I've yet seen came from this site, perhaps even from Boro Nut, if memeory serves me...

"Q: If Noah's descendents are asian, black, white, etc...what does that make Noah?
A: Cuckold. And too busy with his boating hobby to notice."

That wasn't Boro Nut. It was me. Here.

Sensei Meela · 10-26-2005, 07:34 AM

Kudos! It was brilliant; stuck with me, even if I didn't quote it exactly right...

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10-25-2005, 03:52 PM	#11
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	This topic has come up in the Evolution-Creationism forum (example: here) so I will move this to join the crowd.

10-25-2005, 05:15 PM	#13
Sensei Meela Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: AZ, u.s.a. Posts: 1,202	Quite possibly the best answer I've yet seen came from this site, perhaps even from Boro Nut, if memeory serves me... "Q: If Noah's descendents are asian, black, white, etc...what does that make Noah? A: Cuckold. And too busy with his boating hobby to notice." But seriously folks, the creationist argument is really not much less of a joke; paraphrased, 'all 'evolution' is is a reshuffling of pre-existing genes, so therefore Noah (and presumably eveybody has) all the genes for all the races.'

10-25-2005, 05:42 PM	#14
Kotter Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: East Coast of Australia Posts: 271	I once heard an "expert" (read that as: fundy) "show" how the genes of Adam and Eve were arranged. It had absolutely nothing to do with genetics, and as Sensei Meela said, it was a reshuffling - no dominant and recessive characteristics, just a game of reshuffling! Even if you only have a basic understanding of genetics (like myself), you could tell it was a load of bollocks!

10-25-2005, 08:43 PM	#15
Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	Another unanswered question: Did Noah own the only boat in the world at that time? No one thought to lash together a raft when the house began to flood?

10-26-2005, 07:34 AM	#20
Sensei Meela Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: AZ, u.s.a. Posts: 1,202	Kudos! It was brilliant; stuck with me, even if I didn't quote it exactly right...

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