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Newton's Cat · 02-15-2006, 12:09 PM

There is a similar, but not identical, technique used in the original Hebrew text of Job. Someone altered the Book of Job.

The Gospel of Mark was expanded by interpolation and addition to over twice its original length.

"Overlaying" the Bible, Old and New Testaments one can see the hand of one or more people who calculatedly altered the text. The phrase that comes to mind is "Holy Fraud".

MerryAtheist · 02-15-2006, 04:32 PM

There's 35 years you'll never get back.

Vorkosigan · 02-15-2006, 05:29 PM

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The word God occurs 8 times. In each instance the first letter of the word God, or its definite article if it has one, is an EVEN number of letters from the beginning of the text. Also, in 7 out of the 8 instances the word God, or its definite article, is an ODD number of words from the beginning of the text. The "odd one out" is "o theos", the only instance of the use of the nominative. This is a pointer to a word in the text that defines the author's "concept of God".

The statistical odds against this arrangement occuring by chance are VERY high.

Actually, they are quite low. Your statistical argument is unclear because "GOD" can occur in two modes, with or without the article. Let's take your claim at face value. Since it occurs eight times, and is either EVEN or ODD, it should be two to the eighth power, or 1/256 odds. Since I play Axis and Allies once or twice a week, I am tolerably familiar with such odds, and while high, they are not high enough to convince me of coincidence. You're talking to a man who has rolled 16 dice for tanks and come away with no hits, beating 1/65,000 odds.

But more importantly, since you count the definite article (under what objective methodology?) you essentially make the text say whatever you want, so the whole claim is absurd on its face.

Vorkosigan

Chris Weimer · 02-15-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Since I play Axis and Allies once or twice a week, I am tolerably familiar with such odds, and while high, they are not high enough to convince me of coincidence. You're talking to a man who has rolled 16 dice for tanks and come away with no hits, beating 1/65,000 odds.

:notworthy: Next time you're around these parts, we have to set up a game. Quick question - Axis or Allies? And have you played the new version?

Oh, and Newton's Cat - you still haven't answered why you have arbitrarily selected the passages you have nor have you answered why you have arbitrarily removed the words that you did.

Vorkosigan · 02-15-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

:notworthy: Next time you're around these parts, we have to set up a game. Quick question - Axis or Allies? And have you played the new version?

You bet. Go here to the mother of all boards.

Newton, do you know of a text on ancient forgery protection that would support your claim?

Vorkosigan

Ben C Smith · 02-16-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Go here to the mother of all boards.

Incredible, Michael. Just incredible. I may have to start reading your Taiwan blog....

Ben.

Ecrasez L'infame · 02-17-2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mikem

Well, imagine that! Did you know that the name "Shakespear" appears in the Bible?

It's in Psalm 46. Count 46 words from the beginning, and you get to the word SHAKE. Now go to the end of the Psalm, and do the same thing counting 46 words backword from the last word, (omitting the Selah), and you get the word SPEAR. This of course only works with the King James Bible and of course this proves that Shakespeare has edited this Psalm .....doesn't it? After all, the odds against this happening BY CHANCE are so remote as to be uunbelievable!

46? Now you're scaring me. 46 = 2 X 23... 23? Doesn't 23 sound familiar? Where's my copy of Illuminatus? Damn, can't find it...or perhaps someone is hiding it from me???

Chris Weimer · 02-17-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ecrasez L'infame

46? Now you're scaring me. 46 = 2 X 23... 23? Doesn't 23 sound familiar? Where's my copy of Illuminatus? Damn, can't find it...or perhaps someone is hiding it from me???

There is no conspiracy fnord. You're imagining things fnord. Wasn't Shakespeare born on April 23 (skidoo).

Actually, my copy of the book was stolen from me back in my senior year of high school.

Vorkosigan · 02-17-2006, 05:15 AM

You wascal wabbit!

Steven Avery · 02-17-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Watcher

The fundamental logic behind the concept of it all is an argument against its own existence. Humanity arguing against language itself.

So this is a refinement of the "liar's paradox" ?
The "existence paradox".
Absolute proof of non-existence.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic

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Newton's Cat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,181	There is a similar, but not identical, technique used in the original Hebrew text of Job. Someone altered the Book of Job. The Gospel of Mark was expanded by interpolation and addition to over twice its original length. "Overlaying" the Bible, Old and New Testaments one can see the hand of one or more people who calculatedly altered the text. The phrase that comes to mind is "Holy Fraud".

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