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Chili · 02-25-2013, 07:43 PM

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It is an appeal to pity (ad misericordiam) to get non-believers on their side against the Catholics, who are only Christians when they need them on their side to oppress the non-believers.

Typical temple-tramps or bible whores, you may call them too.

I have always suspected that it's at least partly a misguided attempt to be more like Jesus. "Look, Jesus was persecuted, and we're being persecuted too."

Exactly and they have a song on that too, while Catholics crucified him and left him hanging there like a used old dirty rag in retrospect. I.e who needs the fire with peace on earth.

Chili · 02-25-2013, 10:52 PM

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From what I have read, it appears that this is an academic lecture, not political, and that Professor Moss does not deny that there were early Christian martyrs.

Exactly.

We have exaggerations, and fictional accounts within the mythology. Its great how she explopred this in depth.

If you "like" her on facebook, you'll get updates and other material pertaining to the subject. Really enjoying her work so far.

. . . the blind leading the blind.

Chili · 02-26-2013, 01:41 PM

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IIUC Candida Moss accepts (or did till very recently) that the Annals 15.44 passage is authentic although she has reservations about its historical accuracy. See Ancient Christian Martyrdom

Not all christians are rabid, Andrew. I'm only talking of those who've reacted to the proposition that it is an interpolation.

My point is that Dr Moss (unless she has drastically changed her views very recently) does seem to accept that in the ordinary meaning of the word Christians were persecuted by the Roman Empire.

Her central concern seems to be about the problematic ways in which groups use claims of victimhood, (real, exaggerated or fictional), in their conflicts with other groups. I'm not sure that the figures for the number of dead Early Christians are genuinely relevant to what she is really trying to say.

Andrew Criddle

They did, and still today some Christians hold that it is a victory to die for their own savior that they see in Jesus as a self proclaimed Christian, but do not realize that Jesus was not Christ . . . and never was nor will he ever be Christ.

So to follow Jesus is to be a Jesuit and he must die the set the Christ free in him, and so also in them.

In the profance you can compare it with worshiping their aftermath of rebirth, or placenta in the same way that re-birth has nothing to do with babies.

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