Radcliffe Emerson

Who is Ralph?

Amos

Sorry Radcliffe I got your name wrong. Must have been thinking wrong there.

Actually Radcliffe, one must give the Catholic church credit for their willingness to have been wrong and not disclosing their true reason for excommunicating Gallileo. The argument here is that faith is a mystery and if they would have explained the mystery of faith to let Gallileo off the hook they might just as well close the doors because there would be no religion left -- and please be informed here that Catholicism was never meant to be just a social club.

oldstudent

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I am willing to do so but would be arrogant to say that I could. I have not been put in that situation yet.

Jim

oldstudent

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Actually, I perfectly understand your misuse of the term sir.
The VAST MAJORITY of people in the middle of that abomination had never read a Bible for a few reasons;
1. Most didn't own a Bible
2. The Latin was a mistranslation of the Greek and this can be demonstrated by examaining the older Greek manuscripts that we posess.
3. Most people couldn't read Latin throughout the "known world" at that time.
4. Believing myself to be something is not the same as being what I claim.

If you would like to show me where in the Bible that believers are commanded to torture people in order to "purify thier soul", I am willing to read it.

Jim

oldstudent

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Chapter and verse please.

Jim

oldstudent

It is fact the Catholic Church condemned Gallileo for going against the bible, when his and Copernicus' theories were later proven true.
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Well, seeing the Bible doesn't amke any claim that the sun revolves around the earth, the RCC was wrong.



The rise of Protestantism goes against god too, because Jesus specifically said his church would be built on Peter, and legend has Peter starting the Catholic faith.
Hence, the Catholic Church is the only true Christian church, based on these bible 'facts'.
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"and legend has..." is the key to your sentence. There is no proof whatsoever that Peter started the RCC. BTW, if that distinction would belong to anyone it would be Paul, he started the church in Rome and elsewhere in that section of the Meditterreanean before Peter got there.



And if this stuff was divinely inspired, it can't be re-interpreted. Any comment that 'god' wants us to reexamine the 'holy' words is just humans trying to hold on to myths.

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An examination of the Greek vs the Latin shows it was misinterpreted in some places and that the RCC made up purgatory and the queen of heaven stuff out of thin air.

Jim

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MortalWombat

Psalm 19:4-6
Ecclesiastes 1:5

Doctor X

I would have quoted the whole problematic incident of Joshua stopping the sun, but Mortal Wombat provides some really wonderful other examples.

Quod erat demonstrandum. . . .

--J.D.

Sven

I don't claim that there is a verse which says so. But apparently the bible was interpreted this way. That't not my fault.

I can only reiterate: The interpretation of your "Holy Bible" has changed the last few hundred years.
The reason why this interpretation changed is entirely irrelevant. And regarding your point 4: What you think today about being a Christian is entirely irrelevant.

Since apparently you don't understand this simple fact, I see no reason to answer you any more after this post.

Amos

But that is a metaphor. The sun stopped twice: first when the light of common day did not return to identify the holy night of rebirth and the second time to identify the holy day on which the night did not return as the seventh day on which evening did not follow the day. Christmas is symbolic for the first stop and Easter for the second time the sun stopped. In the external world the sun never stopped but in our perception of light translated into life it does and that is what the metaphor is about.