Elijah

Sorry, GakuseiDon.
A text from the time that illustrates a supernatural school of thought’s understanding of the world is what I want most.

Beyond that, supernatural understandings from the early church founders that can’t be confused with metaphysical.

I would also like criteria established for determining if scripture should be interpreted supernaturally or metaphysically and how to differentiate between the two types of thinking.
I’m not saying they were identical am I? I’m saying they were influenced by their world view.

It can be pointed out all day but until someone actually takes the time to read the texts that are being used to base the evidence on and discuss them then it’s just another man’s opinion to me with no evidence.

So far no one has joined in the conversation that understands Platonism, GakuseiDon admitted he isn’t an authority on the subject and just seems to be cutting and pasting from online nor appears to have read the texts that he is citing beforehand. So far there is no one in this conversation in the position to argue against me that the middle Platonist believed in them being natural spirits instead of supernatural demons.

You seem more familiar with Richard Carrier, you can email him and ask for the evidence you’re looking for if you wish.

Elijah

It doesn't say they go back to heaven does it? From heaven to meet in the air.

Amaleq13

That is simply and demonstrably false. The fallacy in your generalization has been pointed out by several people.

Given how many times it has been repeated to you, that is difficult to believe.

You have nothing that actually supports your assertion and it is explictly contradicted by a plain reading of the texts. :banghead:

You might have an actual basis for your conclusion, though.

Amaleq13

I've since offered a second but you have presented nothing but your personal opinion to oppose a plain reading of either passage.

Elijah

You have nothing that supports your position (IMO). Ive shown platonic influence, you have not shown supernatural thought.

Your plain reading is a supernatural take.

Amaleq13

So the Lord descends from heaven and whisks the faithful into the air where they will live with the Lord forever? And this is somehow less supernatural than the notion that they will complete the journey up to heaven? :rolling:

Elijah

Did i miss something? I'm sorry, I thought we were just talking about the the Thessalonians verse.

Amaleq13

There is no such statement since you have shown yourself fully capable of confusing even the most explicitly supernatural statement with some sort of metaphysical reflection.

Elijah

As long as your able to differentiate between what he is saying and the astral from of afterlife is all I'm asking right now.

Eternal life, super power, and the resurrection can all be understood rationally especially if you have a flawed view of the world.

Elijah

I don't think it was me who misunderstood the verse. I think it was you who couldn't differentiate between where he came from and where they were going.