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Chili · 12-27-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Did anyone see the documentary I referenced?

It is an interesting topic Clive, but it will not play for me.

I actually see the so called dark age as the infancy of our civilization that requires more input to gain mass with momentun during its rise so it can bloom with abundance during its highpoint that we now call renaissance because it crashed on us, by force . . . as if it was a flower that got plucked.

After this the rest of the world ran away with its spoils that can be seen as entropy that now after 500 years is getting weaker, and we see more doom and gloom for us ahead, and blame the weather, I suppose.

In a similar way the Eastern Rite crashed just 100 years ago that formed USSR to maintain control instead of reform that proved to be a rapid dispersion of the treasury with little Xmass lights burning everywhere, but they keep going out on them, and religion shopping they will go.

Jaybees · 12-27-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

Glimmers, yes, quickly extinguished by the antichrist 'church'. The fact is that in a thousand years Europe produced hardly anything constructive, philosophically or materially, that went to make modern civilisation. The British Isles in 900 CE and later was in worse condition than when the Romans left, and that was bad enough. The whole continent actually went into a chronically regressed condition, bearing levels of ignorance and superstition, a common mindset, that modern minds of non-historians find hard to grasp. This is unique in the history of the world, unprecedented, unrepeated. Societies that hung garlic on doors to keep out demons could do nothing constructive.

It's difficult to understand how any rational person, with even a smattered bit of history at their disposal could argue with that.

mountainman · 12-27-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Did anyone see the documentary I referenced?

Not available here.

Read some blogs....
http://www.artyculate.com/2012/11/th...c-four-review/

Part of one of the comments ....

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While I appreciate Waldemar Januszczak's main objective, the illumination of a not so very dark era in human history, there are elements of the first two episodes that appear to be contradictory and opportunistically selective. Why, for example, were the Arian images of a youthful, beardless Jesus used in the first episode to demonstrate the Apolline (as opposed to Jovial) nature of the earliest representations of the Christ, and the same images used in the second episode to demonstrate the stark contrast between Arian and Nicaean understandings of the Son's divinity in relation to the Father? Sure, an image can tell you many things, but Januszczak's own words betray him:

"The reason this Christ looks so unfamiliar, and even peculiar, is because he's an Arian Christ and not a Catholic one."

aa5874 · 12-27-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

Glimmers, yes, quickly extinguished by the antichrist 'church'. The fact is that in a thousand years Europe produced hardly anything constructive, philosophically or materially, that went to make modern civilisation. The British Isles in 900 CE and later was in worse condition than when the Romans left, and that was bad enough. The whole continent actually went into a chronically regressed condition, bearing levels of ignorance and superstition, a common mindset, that modern minds of non-historians find hard to grasp. This is unique in the history of the world, unprecedented, unrepeated. Societies that hung garlic on doors to keep out demons could do nothing constructive.

What?? Are you not one of those who do things to keep out demons?? Unprecedented, Unrepeated??

Tell us, sotto voce, what do you do to keep demons out today??

Some people live in the Dark Ages and don't even know. They have dedicated the rest of lives just to keep out demons--a chronically regressed condition.

Will Wiley · 12-27-2012, 11:36 PM

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Waldemar Januszczak disagrees. In this four-part series he argues that the Dark Ages were a time of great artistic achievement, with new ideas and religions provoking new artistic adventures. He embarks on a fascinating trip across Europe, Africa and Asia, visits the world's most famous collections and discovers hidden artistic gems, all to prove that the Dark Ages were actually an 'Age of Light'.

How could it possibly be an age of light if they weren't hellbent on making more money?

Chili · 12-27-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Did anyone see the documentary I referenced?

Not available here.

Read some blogs....
http://www.artyculate.com/2012/11/th...c-four-review/

Part of one of the comments ....

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While I appreciate Waldemar Januszczak's main objective, the illumination of a not so very dark era in human history, there are elements of the first two episodes that appear to be contradictory and opportunistically selective. Why, for example, were the Arian images of a youthful, beardless Jesus used in the first episode to demonstrate the Apolline (as opposed to Jovial) nature of the earliest representations of the Christ, and the same images used in the second episode to demonstrate the stark contrast between Arian and Nicaean understandings of the Son's divinity in relation to the Father? Sure, an image can tell you many things, but Januszczak's own words betray him:

"The reason this Christ looks so unfamiliar, and even peculiar, is because he's an Arian Christ and not a Catholic one."

Rightfully Jesus should not have a beard because he was sinless, which is a necessary condition to go to heaven.

The iota argument allows Rome to paint a beard on Jesus but Christ should never have one.

sotto voce · 12-28-2012, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Will Wiley

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Waldemar Januszczak disagrees. In this four-part series he argues that the Dark Ages were a time of great artistic achievement, with new ideas and religions provoking new artistic adventures. He embarks on a fascinating trip across Europe, Africa and Asia, visits the world's most famous collections and discovers hidden artistic gems, all to prove that the Dark Ages were actually an 'Age of Light'.

How could it possibly be an age of light if they weren't hellbent on making more money?

There wasn't any money to make. But never fear, as soon as there is, the papists are onto it in a flash.

Chili · 12-28-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

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Originally Posted by Will Wiley

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Waldemar Januszczak disagrees. In this four-part series he argues that the Dark Ages were a time of great artistic achievement, with new ideas and religions provoking new artistic adventures. He embarks on a fascinating trip across Europe, Africa and Asia, visits the world's most famous collections and discovers hidden artistic gems, all to prove that the Dark Ages were actually an 'Age of Light'.

How could it possibly be an age of light if they weren't hellbent on making more money?

There wasn't any money to make. But never fear, as soon as there is, the papists are onto it in a flash.

It is not called making money as where God is God with us will be.

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