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outhouse · 04-25-2012, 01:00 PM

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There is plenty of evidence, its just question more then anyone else due to its importance.

Many historical characters have less information and evidence then jesus has, yet they carry complete historicity.

The fact the authors all wrote mythicaly gives mythers food to feed upon.

Darn them! If only they had written in a way that would be more useful to establishing the HJ hypothesis.

imagine that!!!

ancient writers wrote most everything mythically!! :grin:

Iskander · 04-25-2012, 01:02 PM

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You can’t answer my question

You are asking now what religion he preached and what attributes his followers ascribed to him, but this is theology and gossip.

Who are you talking about?? What Jewish man from 2000 years??

There were hundreds of thousands of Jewish men 2000 years ago so please be Specific.

Identify your source for "the Jewish Man" so that the investigation can begin.

You want to talk about theology and about gossip –whatever

An atheist can admit that a man living in ancient times in very alien cultures may have had something to do with the establishment of a surviving religion as the followers of that much modified and split religion claim .And in so doing this accepting atheist would be more rational than the deniers.

Grog · 04-25-2012, 01:08 PM

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Who are you talking about?? What Jewish man from 2000 years??

There were hundreds of thousands of Jewish men 2000 years ago so please be Specific.

Identify your source for "the Jewish Man" so that the investigation can begin.

You want to talk about theology and about gossip –whatever

An atheist can admit that a man living in ancient times in very alien cultures may have had something to do with the establishment of a surviving religion as the followers of that much modified and split religion claim .And in so doing this accepting atheist would be more rational than the deniers.

He's only asking for evidence. Is that too much to ask for?

Why does this "Jewish Man" matter so much to you? I deny that there was a "Greek Man" who people came to believe was the demi-god Hercles, too. Shall we debate that?

aa5874 · 04-25-2012, 01:12 PM

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imagine that!!!

ancient writers wrote most everything mythically!! :grin:

Your claim is UTTERLY erroneous--mere propaganda. We can no longer accept propaganda. We are engaged in a serious discussion. We have sources that destroy the propaganda about ancient writers.

Please get familiar with ancient writers and desists from repeating propaganda.

We have Suetonius "Lives of the Twelve Caesars" and it destroys the propaganda that ancient writers wrote mythically.

Suetonius wrote at about 115 CE and this is how he described the birth of Tiberius the Emperor who was supposedly a contemporary of Jesus

Life of Tiberius

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....Some have supposed that Tiberius was born at Fundi, on no better evidence than that his maternal grandmother was a native of that place, and that later a statue of Good Fortune was set up there by decree of the senate.

But according to the most numerous and trustworthy authorities, he was born at Rome, on the Palatine, the sixteenth day before the Kalends of December, in the consulship of Marcus Aemilius Lepidus and Lucius Munatius Plancus (the former for the second time) while the war of Philippi was going on.

In fact it is so recorded both in the calendar and in the public gazette.

Yet in spite of this some write that he was born in the preceding year, that of Hirtius and Pansa, and others in the following year, in the consulate of Servilius Isauricus and Lucius Antonius....

Iskander · 04-25-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Grog

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You want to talk about theology and about gossip –whatever

An atheist can admit that a man living in ancient times in very alien cultures may have had something to do with the establishment of a surviving religion as the followers of that much modified and split religion claim .And in so doing this accepting atheist would be more rational than the deniers.

He's only asking for evidence. Is that too much to ask for?

Why does this "Jewish Man" matter so much to you? I deny that there was a "Greek Man" who people came to believe was the demi-god Hercles, too. Shall we debate that?

Theology is not evidence and gossip is not evidence.

Grog · 04-25-2012, 01:21 PM

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He's only asking for evidence. Is that too much to ask for?

Why does this "Jewish Man" matter so much to you? I deny that there was a "Greek Man" who people came to believe was the demi-god Hercles, too. Shall we debate that?

Theology is not evidence and gossip is not evidence.

Are you saying that you only have "theology" and "gossip" to support your claim that Christianity was started by "a Jewish Man" 2000 years ago? I think you could even get a decent argument against that bare minimum.

aa5874 · 04-25-2012, 01:22 PM

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You want to talk about theology and about gossip –whatever...

Again ,you accuse people of the very same thing that you do.

You employ gossip when you talk about your Jewish Man and do NOT provide the source.

What Jewish Man are you GOSSIPING about?? Please Identify your source if you are NOT about gossip.

Iskander · 04-25-2012, 01:35 PM

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You want to talk about theology and about gossip –whatever...

Again ,you accuse people of the very same thing that you do.

You employ gossip when you talk about your Jewish Man and do NOT provide the source.

What Jewish Man are you GOSSIPING about?? Please Identify your source if you are NOT about gossip.

I don’t want to confuse theology with the possible existence of a man in the remote past and I don’t want to confuse the gossiping of his followers with the possible existence of a man in the remote past. Deniers deliberately choose to identify theology and gossip with existence.

Iskander · 04-25-2012, 01:46 PM

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Theology is not evidence and gossip is not evidence.

Are you saying that you only have "theology" and "gossip" to support your claim that Christianity was started by "a Jewish Man" 2000 years ago? I think you could even get a decent argument against that bare minimum.

Ancient religions have supernatural phenomena and some story about the man who they associate the early beginnings of that religion.

I choose to call the supernatural aspect theology. And the story I call gossip.
I am considering on what grounds I would deny that this man of theirs ever existed.

I have to go away. Goodbye

Kapyong · 04-25-2012, 01:54 PM

Gday,

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Is there a strategic importance for atheists to deny that Jesus ever existed?

May I just point out that it is NOT only atheists.

I am not an atheist, yet I take the view Jesus did NOT exist.

K.

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