demoninho

Yes, you are right. Thank you for that quote and Roller too.

Loomis

Yep. Yahweh had 69 siblings. One day El divided up humanity among his sons.

Yahweh inherited the Israelites.

Chemosh inherited the Moabites.

Milcom inherited the Ammonites.

Baal inherited the Canaanites.


They were all just one big family of gods back then. :rolling:

demoninho

Could you give me the verse were this is described? I read Deut 32 but couldnt find this.

Loomis

I was just making jokes for readers who already understand this stuff. There is no specific verse that says Chemosh inherited the Moabites, or Milcom inherited the Ammonites, or Baal inherited the Canaanites, but it is a logical continuation of father/ sibling hierarchy described at Deut 32:8-9, and it is consistent with other passages. For an example see 1 Kings 11.

All the best,

Loomis

uu72

Doesn't exist in most translations. However, the verse in question is Deuteronomy 32:8-9. In the Revised Standard Version, it reads:
Most translations render it something like this:
The word translated in all cases as "Most High" is Elohim. The word translated as the LORD in all cases is YHWH/Yahweh.

The contentious word - "Israel" in most translations, and "God" (in the 'El') form in the RSV and in an alternate reading in the New Living Translation, is attested from different manuscripts. 'Israel' comes from manuscripts of the Masoretic Text. The RSV translation, "sons of God ('El')", comes from a manuscript found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, probably the oldest extant manuscript containing that verse. The NLT relies on the Septuagint. The Septuagint was a Greek Translation which was in use earlier than the Masoretic Text, and before the production of the manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, but which, I believe, is only available from manuscripts more recent than the Masoretic Text (corrections welcome on this point!). That version reads, "When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of angelic beings (literally, Angels of God). For the people of Israel belong to the Lord; Jacob is his special possession." (Parentheses mine).

For a variety of reasons, I think that the RSV's rendering is likely the "correct" one, but it's pretty confusing sometimes to read a verse on the internet that isn't to be found in any Bible you are likely to be familiar with from church.

GenesisNemesis

I dunno, but one of the verses mentions Polytheism...

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.

God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods"

?

Loomis

Loomis

That is a very interesting Psalm - for two reasons:

1) It does not mention Yahweh anywhere.

2) It uses Elohim (singular - a title) and elohim (plural - gods) right next to each other.

I bet the first Elohim is a gloss (or whatever you want to call it). Maybe the original looked like one of these:

Yahweh stands in the assembly of El;
in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

The son of Man stands in the assembly of El;
in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

Melchizedek stands in the assembly of El;
in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

Baal stands in the assembly of El;
in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

But I am high on something and I have no idea why I would think this.

All the best,

Loomis

uu72

In all cases under discussion, that is. :Cheeky:

Magdlyn

Maybe you're not, but the guy that wrote it was. :devil3: