outhouse

Another thing being missed here, is that there were different sects using this material and spreading oral transmission.

there was no one story floating around of a historical jesus EVER


you had mythology mixed with theology and paul more then anyone deified the story based on ressurrection some claim as spiritual and he hellinized that version.

it sucks there is so much needed information to make knowledgeable probablilities

aa5874

Again, why do you refuse to even say what is written in the so-called letters??

The Pauline Jesus was NOT dead.

Please, I do not appreciate your inventions and presumptions.

You MUST and is OBLIGATED to state EXACTLY what is found in the Pauline letters.

IT is extremely important that you acknowledge that the Pauline Jesus was NOT dead when the Pauline author wrote his letters.

The author did claim Jesus was RAISED from the dead on the THIRD day and that he did SEE him.

Now, please tell me with the supporting sources the time when Paul was a leader of his own Church.

I don't trust the Bible!!!

aa5874

You are writing Mythology because what you say is based on your imaginition. It is like you want to write a new epistle.

outhouse

its not needed

sure he was

he lies and states he witnessed a light and was blinded and heard a voice.

he is talking to a ghost by his own accounts

thats funny, your the one going against scholars and historians, not me. im middle of the road leaning towards the myths side a little.

I mean Bjesus is mythical but I feel Hjesus was real.


why im not argueing fiction or myth, im trying to follow history


well he was deader then a door nail LOL

youi havnt made a decent case he was alive, no one EVER has

Nope, not in paul, it started being written 15 years after his death



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_of_Tarsus

Paul asserted that he received the Gospel not from any person, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.[Gal. 1:11-12] Paul claimed almost total independence from the Jerusalem community[18] and yet appeared eager to bring material support to Jerusalem from the various budding Gentile churches that he planted.


I agree

aa5874

Of you must know what the letters say. I don't what to hear what you made up.

Why do you think Paul was writing about historical events when he CLEARLY stated his Jesus was NON-human and ALIVE? See Galatians 1.

You are in a hopeless contradictory position. You admit Paul was lying and still BELIEVE the same Liar.

That is funny. When I present evidence and soources of antiquity to support me I go against Scholars and historians.

You are indeed Very funny!!!!


The NT is a not a history book. Well I made an error. It is an historical record of the Myth Fables of Jesus and Paul.


Paul claimed his Jesus was NON-HUMAN AND alive so I must accept the Pauline writings as Myth Fables.

Please name the parents of the Pauline Jesus and when he really died.

Did NOT Paul write that his Jesus was resurrected?? So how could his Jesus be dead?? If you think Paul lied then why do you still accept that Jesus lived when he was NON-HUMAN.

Paul lied about everything---the story is FICTION or a Myth Fable.



But Paul claimed he received information about the death and resurrection from Scriptures.

The Scriptures MUST have been written by Human Beings. See 1 Cor.15.3-4

Paul is a liar. The Pauline writings are either Fiction or Myth Fables.


You agree with Paul!!!! The Pauline writings are in the Bible.

outhouse

No

I agree with scholars like Earl Doherty and Richard Carrier

and a very long list of other prominent scholar's.



I dont like to appeal to authority but there comes a time when arguing conspiracy theories is a waist of time when there are better knives to sharpen.

aa5874

Well, I want to agree with the EVIDENCE from antiquity but you are happy to appeal to authority.

I hope you understand that Christians agree with their Bishops.

I must remind you that it is EVIDENCE from antiquity NOT personal opinion that resolves the matter.

You have ZERO non-apologetic evidence for an early Paul and is NOW reciting the names of Doherty and Carrier.

Christians WITHOUT evidence Recite the name of RATZINGER.

I RECITE the names of those who presented Evidence.

1. Philo, Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian, Celsus, the Short-Ending gMark, the Long-Ending gMark, gMatthew, gLuke, gJohn, the Pauline writings, the General Epistles, Revelation, Ignatius, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Aristides, Tatian, Minucius Felix, Theophilus of Antioch, Athenagoras, Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Eusebius, Jerome, Sulpitius Severus, Ephraim, Rufinus and others.

The VERDICT is in.

Paul of the NT was a FRAUD and LIAR who lived NO early than the end of the 2nd century and his writings were used to DECEIVE all the people of the Roman Empire and up to the 21 st century.

The Deception must end today.

outhouse

im sorry but its not the case.


So scholars are all wrong and ancient historians that claimed Marcion used paul and lukes writings??

aa5874

Sorry, you have NOT presented any evidence from antiquity. You appear to be no different than Christians that BELIEVE what other say without any investigation.

This is NOT Sunday School.

Why don't you examine the evidence from antiquity yourself?

Even Apologetic sources SHOW that Marcion did NOT use gLuke and the Pauline writings.

Examine "Refutation of All Heresies" by Hippolytus

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050107.htm

Examine The Three Proses "Against Marcion" of Ephraim the Syrian.

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/ep...2_marcion1.htm
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/ep...3_marcion2.htm
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/ep...4_marcion3.htm

Neither Hippolytus or Ephraim mentioned the Pauline writings and gLuke when arguing against the doctrine of Marcion.

Remarkably, there are NO apologetic sources that acknowledged Tertullian wrote 5 books "Against Marcion" even up to 200 years later.

"Against Marcion" by Tertullian may have been written WELL after the 5th century.

outhouse

is it because Paul was so popular and they would not dare say a word about paul while going after Marcion???

Marcion took alot of heat, "shame on marcions eraser"



absense is also bad way to try and find conclusions